Could the size of the monster summoning models please be reduced drastically? Not only is it a pain in the ass that they take up half your screen on a raid when you are engaged on a mob (in 3rd person to boot) but you can't shrink them AND you end up targeting them with F8.
Mage Monster Summoning Model Size
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Dzillon
Dalayan Master
The size might be a problem to some, but it's not because they're small that you won't target them with F8. This is precisely the issue I'd like to see fixed , but I guess F8 targets all swarm-type pets. If it's fixable I give a thumb up.
Otherwise what's the point of a cyclops if he's not at least taller than an ogre
vistachiri
Dalayan Master
I like em the way they are too, it's not like there would be many problem's fixed if at all by reducing their size. Assisting removes the problem of f8 and of clicking on the mob. The pets also generally stay a reasonable distance from the mob, so if you absolutely need a better view, strafe to the side a bit.
Dzillon
Dalayan Master
Of course assist works ; it's just slower (specially when assist takes like one second to actually work like my sucky PC in raids :tinfoil: ).
If size is indeed a problem in some zones, Danku's idea could be implemented just for these zones ? like make a skelly in Misery and Highkeep or a little ghast, I don't know. It seems this is something the stafff doesn't wanna do for some reason...is it just not possible to change the MS pet model according to where you fight ?
About the NPC assisting I still think familiars are just considered like it.
If size is indeed a problem in some zones, Danku's idea could be implemented just for these zones ? like make a skelly in Misery and Highkeep or a little ghast, I don't know. It seems this is something the stafff doesn't wanna do for some reason...is it just not possible to change the MS pet model according to where you fight ?
About the NPC assisting I still think familiars are just considered like it.
JayelleNephilim
"Helpy Helper"
I personally don't mind the size of the Monster Summoned pets, but it just occuredt to me that I stopped using them for the most part because of the complaints I'd get on raids/ A lot of people complain about their size and the fact that they would target my cyclops with F8 or misclick my monster pet instead of the person intended when trying to heal.
calaran
Dalayan Beginner
As a non-mage I think the idea of summoning this huge cyclops to pound the pee out of my opponent sounds like a blast... I wouldn't want to lose that. BUT, it would be ultra cool if those summons were able to be shrunk significantly, if their size keeps them from even being used on raids...
Syalara
Dalayan Beginner
See above....this helps the MA how? using /target <soandso> is iffy when multiple adds have the same name as is often the case in raid encounters.
This suggestion has nothing to do with the OPs lack of knowing how to target a mob, it comes from the fact that the model is just fn huge. One mage on a raid tossing this is a giant pain, 2 mages tossing this spell with the pets HUGE target ring......and a raid runs the risk of wiping cause adds werent picked up in time.
This suggestion has nothing to do with the OPs lack of knowing how to target a mob, it comes from the fact that the model is just fn huge. One mage on a raid tossing this is a giant pain, 2 mages tossing this spell with the pets HUGE target ring......and a raid runs the risk of wiping cause adds werent picked up in time.
Tempus
Staff Emeritus
F8 also targets mage / shaman / necro swarm pets. So reducing the model size has nothing to do with that at all.
EDIT: I will agree that it can be annoying for your Crowd Control or Off-tanks in some zones while figihting some mob types, but this can easily be mitigated by moving to where the cyclops is not between you and the mob you want to target. Anyone else should just be assisting or using /target to heal people outside their group.
This is just my opinion as a player in a raiding guild.
EDIT: I will agree that it can be annoying for your Crowd Control or Off-tanks in some zones while figihting some mob types, but this can easily be mitigated by moving to where the cyclops is not between you and the mob you want to target. Anyone else should just be assisting or using /target to heal people outside their group.
This is just my opinion as a player in a raiding guild.
Syalara
Dalayan Beginner
Thats kinda of the point, well part of it in my mind anyway.
F8 is useless
Clicking is useless when no matter where you click or how you strafe you get a fn mage pet....when 2 mages fire this off at the same time, I wanna hang our mages from the nearest anything
/assist works fine and dandy unless you are the guy that people need to be assisting, or cc, or an off tank.
/target <mob> is a hit or miss kinda deal, depends on the encounter
plus they just flat out take up too much screen real estate.
But this really shouldnt be about...l2target, which sadly it has become. If anyone in this thread thinks they are telling the OP something about targetting that he didnt know, they are kinda silly.
I like the idea of this spell, I have no issues with anything other then the models size....and its target ring accordingly.
F8 is useless
Clicking is useless when no matter where you click or how you strafe you get a fn mage pet....when 2 mages fire this off at the same time, I wanna hang our mages from the nearest anything
/assist works fine and dandy unless you are the guy that people need to be assisting, or cc, or an off tank.
/target <mob> is a hit or miss kinda deal, depends on the encounter
plus they just flat out take up too much screen real estate.
But this really shouldnt be about...l2target, which sadly it has become. If anyone in this thread thinks they are telling the OP something about targetting that he didnt know, they are kinda silly.
I like the idea of this spell, I have no issues with anything other then the models size....and its target ring accordingly.
volvov2
Dalayan Adventurer
Supporting the 'Make cyclops smaller idea'
Sometimes you cant move, and you are stuck between a large cyclops and have to hope that clicking between its legs will target the right mob. Its fairly annoying trying to snipe click mobs, and forget "/target a " when there are multiple mobs running around with the same name.
Tempus said:
Sometimes you cant move, and you are stuck between a large cyclops and have to hope that clicking between its legs will target the right mob. Its fairly annoying trying to snipe click mobs, and forget "/target a " when there are multiple mobs running around with the same name.
vistachiri
Dalayan Master
Tbh also people just shouldn't be using them until targets are acquired anyways. Very few fights come up off the top of my head until thaz where this is a huge issue, and at least two I can think of ms pets shouldn't really be used anyways. The rest of the fights I'm thinking of, including thaz, either have the aforementioned ms pets are a bad idea in the first place, or have fairly simple methods to alleviate this. Even if it's all about picking up adds for cc or whatever. For example, these adds generally go towards people. Not away. Just slide on over to the back, pop em, and voila, problem solved. Sounds like your mages are just not doing that for whatever reason.
I got a few complaints at first yeah. Like oh here goes the fucking pets again, Oh it targets with f8 sadfase, I keep clicking it to heal etc. After modifying their usage a bit more strategically, I didn't, and I use them pretty much every other fight. Personally I only really use f8 in outdoor zones where I'm looking for the nearest thing to kill in a particular direction, and never click around to heal, as I've always considered a better strategy for that is simply to /tar *insert first few letters of name, usually no more than 3 here*. Takes about as much time as looking around for them. As for picking up adds for mez, yeah I can see how that might be a minor problem. But again. If your mages realize this, and take steps to avoid it where it may be a problem, you should not have any problems. Heck the only problem I've ever had with them is it is unpleasant to have a large seemingly disembodied cyclops ass in your face in highkeep.
I got a few complaints at first yeah. Like oh here goes the fucking pets again, Oh it targets with f8 sadfase, I keep clicking it to heal etc. After modifying their usage a bit more strategically, I didn't, and I use them pretty much every other fight. Personally I only really use f8 in outdoor zones where I'm looking for the nearest thing to kill in a particular direction, and never click around to heal, as I've always considered a better strategy for that is simply to /tar *insert first few letters of name, usually no more than 3 here*. Takes about as much time as looking around for them. As for picking up adds for mez, yeah I can see how that might be a minor problem. But again. If your mages realize this, and take steps to avoid it where it may be a problem, you should not have any problems. Heck the only problem I've ever had with them is it is unpleasant to have a large seemingly disembodied cyclops ass in your face in highkeep.
Monance
Dalayan Adventurer
i agree on the /assist and /target thing, but there is still situations that require u to click or press F8 to get the nearest target.
Some examples:
Mezzers use click/f8 to get targets
the Mainassist clicks/F8 to get targets
if you got a fight with multiple adds spawning, theres prolly more than 1 person clicking/f8'ing to get the closest add to burn them fast
most of these situations require immediate and fast targeting and cant really be done with any ingame commands besides clicking or pressing F8. I agree most of the time this problem can be solved by assisting/targeting with commands, but its not an allaround solution. Getting swarm and monster summoning pets with F8 is just a major pain in the ass, but i dont see a way of making them untargetable with F8, so the only solution would be to shrink that darn cyclops.. Or replace it with some other/smaller model.
ofcourse, the easiest solution would just be to not use these kind of pets in above mentioned situations, where targeting could get messy. Rest of the time use ur assist and target macros and you should be fine.
Some examples:
Mezzers use click/f8 to get targets
the Mainassist clicks/F8 to get targets
if you got a fight with multiple adds spawning, theres prolly more than 1 person clicking/f8'ing to get the closest add to burn them fast
most of these situations require immediate and fast targeting and cant really be done with any ingame commands besides clicking or pressing F8. I agree most of the time this problem can be solved by assisting/targeting with commands, but its not an allaround solution. Getting swarm and monster summoning pets with F8 is just a major pain in the ass, but i dont see a way of making them untargetable with F8, so the only solution would be to shrink that darn cyclops.. Or replace it with some other/smaller model.
ofcourse, the easiest solution would just be to not use these kind of pets in above mentioned situations, where targeting could get messy. Rest of the time use ur assist and target macros and you should be fine.