New fear mongering ad on http://www.gop.com
Made me laugh remember how serious the situtation is.
Vote responsibly Republican.
Made me laugh remember how serious the situtation is.
Vote responsibly Republican.
It's coming...
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here's one.
votevets is a 527 but has several prominent dems associated with it such as gen wes clark and paul hackett
http://www.ifilms.tv/votevetsweb/
i asked a veteran i know and current national guard "andy" about the body armor thing. he said that his instructor at the local drill was telling everyone about how there body armor was worthless.
i would honestly like to be making this stuff up.
votevets is a 527 but has several prominent dems associated with it such as gen wes clark and paul hackett
http://www.ifilms.tv/votevetsweb/
i asked a veteran i know and current national guard "andy" about the body armor thing. he said that his instructor at the local drill was telling everyone about how there body armor was worthless.
i would honestly like to be making this stuff up.
iaeolan
Dalayan Elder
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5327279773045354206&q
The nixon thing at the end is pretty lol
dont forget the DCCC ad which was so bad that they had to pull it
"The ad by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee called for a "new direction" and displayed a staccato of images, including war scenes, pollution and breached levees as well as a photograph of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay doctored to look like a police mug shot."
Using images of coffins draped in flags for political gain... oh big nono
The nixon thing at the end is pretty lol
dont forget the DCCC ad which was so bad that they had to pull it
"The ad by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee called for a "new direction" and displayed a staccato of images, including war scenes, pollution and breached levees as well as a photograph of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay doctored to look like a police mug shot."
Using images of coffins draped in flags for political gain... oh big nono
considering that nixon broke the law and george bush broke the law; (wiretaping, extraordinary rendition, torture to name a few)
considering that former nixon white house counsel john dean, among others who actually know from first hand experience and arent bubbleheads on TV or unknown voices on the internet, have drawn the paralells regarding secrecy and lawbreaking between the two administrations
considering that nixon faced eminent impeachment and that the majority of americans want bush impeached
(my goof, thanks jun)
i'd say it's a fair comparison.
and fyi, no one needs to doctor a mugshot of tom delay. he took one last year after he was charged with money laundering and other FEC violations
as far as the coffins, republicans have no problem exploiting 9/11, fearmongering OBL, parading around soldiers or donning flight suits (even when they did not serve) and playing GI Joe while the real soldiers get their brains blown out by the very iraqis they arm and train because our incompetent, worthless, no good admin does not even begin to acknowledge its failures in iraq, let alone adopt a successful strategy to deal with this civil war (which they are only beginning to admit could possibly be going on. does a step in the right direction matter if you already lead us into the middle of the f-ng desert?)
so ok, no pictures of coffins. no pictures of dead iraqis. no pictures of reality of whats going on over there, that way all it takes to "support our troops" (aka ease your troubled mind) is to slap a sticker on your SUV and vote republican.
edit : as far as, "both sides are the same" well your ad didn't exactly show that. oh goodness! how terrible of the democrats to take george bush's words in context and show what a 2faced liar he is! truly an effective attack ad, but hardly the same as telling people they are going to die if they don't vote republican
considering that former nixon white house counsel john dean, among others who actually know from first hand experience and arent bubbleheads on TV or unknown voices on the internet, have drawn the paralells regarding secrecy and lawbreaking between the two administrations
considering that nixon faced eminent impeachment and that the majority of americans want bush impeached
(my goof, thanks jun)
i'd say it's a fair comparison.
and fyi, no one needs to doctor a mugshot of tom delay. he took one last year after he was charged with money laundering and other FEC violations
as far as the coffins, republicans have no problem exploiting 9/11, fearmongering OBL, parading around soldiers or donning flight suits (even when they did not serve) and playing GI Joe while the real soldiers get their brains blown out by the very iraqis they arm and train because our incompetent, worthless, no good admin does not even begin to acknowledge its failures in iraq, let alone adopt a successful strategy to deal with this civil war (which they are only beginning to admit could possibly be going on. does a step in the right direction matter if you already lead us into the middle of the f-ng desert?)
so ok, no pictures of coffins. no pictures of dead iraqis. no pictures of reality of whats going on over there, that way all it takes to "support our troops" (aka ease your troubled mind) is to slap a sticker on your SUV and vote republican.
edit : as far as, "both sides are the same" well your ad didn't exactly show that. oh goodness! how terrible of the democrats to take george bush's words in context and show what a 2faced liar he is! truly an effective attack ad, but hardly the same as telling people they are going to die if they don't vote republican
Jun
Dalayan Beginner
Id have to say both sides are guilty of politics, but only one side is blatantly guilty of war crimes, greed, corruption, instilling fear in stupid people etc (or at the very least, extreme ineptitude) I dont care much for the ads of any party because I hate politics, plain and simple. Traditionally, both parties have done some stupid and senseless things, and if you follow either Repulicans or Democrats blindly youre a fool. Nowadays nobody goes piece by piece through the issues, because nowadays the average voter listens to nobody outside of their party and ends up consistently hearing the same one-sided argument. Parties are fine, and do a lot of good in terms of getting important matters done quickly within congress... but Americans really need to learn to understand to seperate politics from government, be impartial to parties and focus on individuals. Also pray there are still some moderates out there, on either side of the spectrum :toot:
Since when was lying under oath not a crime? Clinton was impeached because he broke the law, not because he fooled around. If he would have admitted it then he probably would not have been impeached its not that hard to understand. Both sides are guilty of greed and corruption, dont kid yourselves. As far as war crimes, thats a fuzzy issue however if the problems were taken care of before it escalated to war then it would be a non issue. Note: Kennedy is the man who got us into Vietnam. I agree with Jun though, we need to concentrate on the candidate not the party, party politics has ruined the government as Washington thought it would. Another thing we need to get away from is running on a platform of "I'm not quite as bad as the other guy so vote for me." It's about time our politicians started standing for something rather than against someone.
iaeolan
Dalayan Elder
Armando said:
Think you are missing the point, I'm not justifying either sides ads, but rather saying both make very borderline obsene content in advertisements for politiacl gain. Showing coffins and showing a terrorist leader were both meant to incite an emotional response instead of a rational response and to go vote based on that. Both sides take this sleasy approach to winning votes come election time.
iaeolan
Dalayan Elder
Jun said:
Send in the marhcing band!!!
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I see you in a new light, this is great.
Democrats tearing down Republicans for the sake of being Republican and vice versa happens daily on every news program and virtually anywhere politis is concerned. It's getting tired and old and doesnt help our country a damn bit.
luciferblack
Dalayan Elder
The following is strictly for the people who dwell in the USA with me...
The problem is that people think "Hooray for MY TEAM" but neglect to notice their team is fucking them every chance it gets.
When was the last time a politician did anything for you?
"My life is so much easier than it used to be. I don't have as much debt. It's easier to get by from month to month. I like the excellent medical coverage I have. I'm glad that I'm really free...not like those people in other countries like China who have to deal with wiretaps and...oh...wait."
"I am so glad my tax dollars go towards worthwhile causes and aren't just used to blow up more brown people."
People need to stop fearing blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, rednecks, christians, muslims, gays, liberals, conservatives, etc. They need to start seeing what the country is turning into. The country should remember that citizens shouldn't fear their government....the government should fear it's citizens.
The problem is that people think "Hooray for MY TEAM" but neglect to notice their team is fucking them every chance it gets.
When was the last time a politician did anything for you?
"My life is so much easier than it used to be. I don't have as much debt. It's easier to get by from month to month. I like the excellent medical coverage I have. I'm glad that I'm really free...not like those people in other countries like China who have to deal with wiretaps and...oh...wait."
"I am so glad my tax dollars go towards worthwhile causes and aren't just used to blow up more brown people."
People need to stop fearing blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, rednecks, christians, muslims, gays, liberals, conservatives, etc. They need to start seeing what the country is turning into. The country should remember that citizens shouldn't fear their government....the government should fear it's citizens.
luciferblack
Dalayan Elder
iaeolan said:
Thomas Jefferson actually:
Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master! -Thomas Jefferson
But yes...I thought V was pretty cool too.
Another good'n...
"Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural, 1801. ME 3:320
first of all, emotions play better than issues. that's a political reality, so in the winner-take-all control of the most powerful organization on the planet, yes, they are playing to win. the reason? because that's what people want, and in a democracy, people get what the want (and often what they deserve).
and yes, a democrat should tear down a republican for being a republican. that's the reality of the two party system. furthermore, republicans are notoriously disciplined in how they vote and caucus. for this reason, there is no such thing as a "pro choice" republican or an "anti war" republican, because when it comes down to the vote, they vote with their party. just the political reality.
and the difference between OSB and coffins is the fact that US soldiers are really dying every day as a direct result of republican governance. (also, show me the ad with the coffins - or did i miss it?) - keep in mind the same republicans lead the run up, execution and post-war occupation. the same republicans that royally screwed up post-war by using political allegiance ahead of qualifications, ( Ties to GOP Trumped Know-How Among Staff Sent to Rebuild Iraq ; WaPo 9/17/06 A1) at one point sending a 24 yr old loyalist, with no background in economics to reopen the baghdad stock exchange. just one example, skim the article and be amazed, like the health administrator that wants to focus on anti-smoking campaigns while people are literally being blown to bits.
in contrast ..
democrats are not enabling OSB or giving him a better opportunity to strike america. there is no fact to their assertion- but try to tell me american troops are not dying in iraq because of republicans.
in fact, according to our own NIE (national intelligence estimate) gathered by the top intelligence agencies in our country, the Iraq war is making al qaeda as an ideological movement stronger. in fact, we are losing the war in afghanistan and the top commanders in both iraq and afghanistan have said troops in iraq distract from the war on terrorism and that we are on the brink of losing afghanistan entirely and seeing a resurgence of the taliban and alqaeda in the southern region. (Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terrorism Threat ; NYT 9/24/06 ) , (British army chief urges pullout from Iraq ; Reuters, 10/13/06) , (Top generals say U.S. troops' presence may fuel insurgency Seattle Times, 10/01/05) , (NATO chief warns Afghans may switch allegiance to Taliban CNN , 10/08/06)
so to pretend that george bush being morphed into nixon is "very borderline obsene content in advertisements for politiacl gain", as much as saying, "Vote Bush or Osama wins" shows you cannot find meaningful distinction between fact and fantasy, which is all the republicans are trying to do.
the point is: they are trying to do "well both sides do it, both sides are corrupt" as they up the ante and break all the rules time and time again. don't even tell me both sides are just as corrupt, because that makes no sense since the democrats have not been in power in congress in over a decade. don't even try to pretend that the democrats have nearly the power to abuse that the republicans do and have abused. all it shows it that you do not really follow politics and names like abramahoff, ney, cunningham, delay, corker, allen and boatloads of others mean nothing to you.
by the way, here is the Official Iraq War ad of the DNC - now try to tell me how far from reality that ad is?
and yes, a democrat should tear down a republican for being a republican. that's the reality of the two party system. furthermore, republicans are notoriously disciplined in how they vote and caucus. for this reason, there is no such thing as a "pro choice" republican or an "anti war" republican, because when it comes down to the vote, they vote with their party. just the political reality.
and the difference between OSB and coffins is the fact that US soldiers are really dying every day as a direct result of republican governance. (also, show me the ad with the coffins - or did i miss it?) - keep in mind the same republicans lead the run up, execution and post-war occupation. the same republicans that royally screwed up post-war by using political allegiance ahead of qualifications, ( Ties to GOP Trumped Know-How Among Staff Sent to Rebuild Iraq ; WaPo 9/17/06 A1) at one point sending a 24 yr old loyalist, with no background in economics to reopen the baghdad stock exchange. just one example, skim the article and be amazed, like the health administrator that wants to focus on anti-smoking campaigns while people are literally being blown to bits.
in contrast ..
democrats are not enabling OSB or giving him a better opportunity to strike america. there is no fact to their assertion- but try to tell me american troops are not dying in iraq because of republicans.
in fact, according to our own NIE (national intelligence estimate) gathered by the top intelligence agencies in our country, the Iraq war is making al qaeda as an ideological movement stronger. in fact, we are losing the war in afghanistan and the top commanders in both iraq and afghanistan have said troops in iraq distract from the war on terrorism and that we are on the brink of losing afghanistan entirely and seeing a resurgence of the taliban and alqaeda in the southern region. (Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terrorism Threat ; NYT 9/24/06 ) , (British army chief urges pullout from Iraq ; Reuters, 10/13/06) , (Top generals say U.S. troops' presence may fuel insurgency Seattle Times, 10/01/05) , (NATO chief warns Afghans may switch allegiance to Taliban CNN , 10/08/06)
so to pretend that george bush being morphed into nixon is "very borderline obsene content in advertisements for politiacl gain", as much as saying, "Vote Bush or Osama wins" shows you cannot find meaningful distinction between fact and fantasy, which is all the republicans are trying to do.
the point is: they are trying to do "well both sides do it, both sides are corrupt" as they up the ante and break all the rules time and time again. don't even tell me both sides are just as corrupt, because that makes no sense since the democrats have not been in power in congress in over a decade. don't even try to pretend that the democrats have nearly the power to abuse that the republicans do and have abused. all it shows it that you do not really follow politics and names like abramahoff, ney, cunningham, delay, corker, allen and boatloads of others mean nothing to you.
by the way, here is the Official Iraq War ad of the DNC - now try to tell me how far from reality that ad is?