Higher End Bow Itemization

@steria

Dalayan Beginner
I guess my goal of this thread is to get The Devs / GMs/ Item makers to look into the higher end bows that are available. Maybe the way it is now is what is wanted / needed and im off basis, or maybe it was just overlooked and can be changed. With that being said i will jump right into this.

My main is a ranger and while im not in the top 5 list nor all that close to them, i am highly active and id say a solid tier 8. My guild and I have climbed the tiers from about 2 all the way to 8 in the year or two that we have been around. The progression of bows throughout the tiers has been steady and well planned out till we hit tier 7 then it stopped all together. We hit the wall that every ranger hits unless they are in the top end guilds.

At tier 7 we are given a selection of 4 bows. Clockwork bow (1.53 ratio), Woe (1.51 ratio), Crossbow of Tenacity (1.52 max ratio), and Bloodseeker (1.45 ratio). After that, it is completely impossible to get a upgrade unless you get into one of the few top tier 9+ guilds that can kill the end of ToT or kill the end boss of undercity at which point the bows jump up to a 1.69 ratio.

I guess what im trying to say is that tier 7 is saturated with bows that aside from bloodseeker, are basically the same bow (ratios just about the same). They all drop off easy encounters with, in my opinion, clockwork being the easiest and the best bow in the group. Where is the higher tier 8 or low tier 9 bow that is the next logical step in progression before jumping from a 1.53 ratio all the way to a 1.69 ratio bow? Would that be just to overpowering in the long run to let rangers have a obtainable option when waiting to upgrade a Woe or Ballista to a Branch or flarewynd?

Now with the expansion being out, maybe im completely off basis in this. I have not seen any of the loot coming from there and and maybe thier is infact a tier 8/9 encounter that has a nice upgrade to bridge the gap between (very) low tier 7 and (very) high tier 9 bows. Ive had the tier 7 bows just sitting in my inventory for about a year now and its frustrating to know that it will be another 6 months to a year before the end of undercity and ToT is completed by us.

Sooooo anyways, if somebody could look at this i would be much appreciated. I know ive talked to a few rangers in my current situation and they feel the same way... or just agreed with me so i would shut the fuck up about it :D
 
I'd really love to support this.

Except we just had this conversation two weeks ago.

http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showthread.php?t=19687

Different topic in the title, but if you read it (and its highly ranger related, you should have read it) this argument kind of takes center stage and is pretty much decided as "rangers are SOL, this is intended"

Ahh damn, I did not see that thread.. i only made this after talking with a few other rangers i know. Will definately read it now.
 
Maysun bow is sub top tier9 and pretty legit I think.

To be honest ive never heard of that bow until you brought it up just now and i wiki'd it. Same ratio as a ballista but so much faster so their really is no reason to get it unless you dont have a ballista already. The slower bow (ballista) is going to save you the +10 damage arrows over the long run and if my theory crafting is corret, out DPS Mahdi. Plus less wear and tear on your range attack button on your keyboard :D
 
It'll be bumped up a little more after the next patch.

Now while i was hoping for a bump in damage on one of the many bows i already had, i will take what i can get! Now all i need to do in convince my guild that Fire is worth going to and figuring out the encounters. Im pretty sure they have the impression that we are over tiered and it will be nothing but rot loots.

Anyways, thanks again Zaela for taking time and looking at this :)
 
Now while i was hoping for a bump in damage on one of the many bows i already had, i will take what i can get! Now all i need to do in convince my guild that Fire is worth going to and figuring out the encounters. Im pretty sure they have the impression that we are over tiered and it will be nothing but rot loots.

Anyways, thanks again Zaela for taking time and looking at this :)

If they are overtiered then 1 good raid should get you to the mob. PoFire is pretty fun to raid.
 
...The progression of bows throughout the tiers has been steady and well planned out till we hit tier 7...

... I guess what im trying to say is that tier 7 is saturated with bows ...

First I would like to point out that I am not 100% in agreement with the first comment. I know that tier 6 has no bows and tier 5 has 3 bows: Windsinger (1.3125) Blackbolt (1.325) and Misery (1.387097). Before that, the only non-droppable bows I know of are the tier 3 Frost King Hunting Bow (1.142857), Swiftshot (1.29166...) The bow from Heritage in Doubt (slightly lower then Swiftshot). It is my opinion that bother Swiftshot and Heritage in doubt could be completed by tier 3 guilds. Thus we have several bows ever other tier. That is, 3, 5, 7, 9.... Thus if this pattern is to be followed then it makes sense that there are no real bow upgrades in tier 8. I am not saying this is a good thing, I am just saying it is what it is. Tier 7 is not the only tier saturated with bows.

On a side note, I would like to point out the ratios of several droppable bows. Kedgemetal Crossbow (1.0909...), Ashenstrike (1.2), Kedgemetal Crossbow (1.0909...) and most importantly, Rustplanter (1.317073). These are all non-pristine ratios. If the bows are obtained pristine, then they are all better than the frost kings bow, and Ashenstrike becomes better than swiftshot and Rustplanter will become close to, if not better than Blackbolt.

It seems odd to me that droppable bows that can be obtained more easily than raid/quest bows can be that much better. Especially Rustplanter. I do understand that the statting on the dropable bows is much worse than the tier 3 and tier 5 bows, however most rangers (that I talk to) focus on ratio first and foremost. I guess my question her is, Are these dropable bows supposed to be this competitive with raid quality bows?

I understand that I have digressed slightly, however this is still a question regarding bow itemization. If the staff intended for things to be this way, then I will leave this question alone and never bring it up again.
 
ya the rustplanter may have a great ratio, it just gets you killed or banned (in aelias's case) with it's shadowstep proc, and it is very hazardous on raids or anywhere else when positioning is an issue. The ratio on the rustplanter is just fine because it comes with a very big drawback.
 
It seems odd to me that droppable bows that can be obtained more easily than raid/quest bows can be that much better.

I think ideally the balance is the time and effort you spendraising the cash for the droppable items versus the time and effort spent raiding. Obviously this becomes a bit lopsided over time as more of said droppable items enter the game and prices drop.
 
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