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but this isnt a job and wiz has every right to say stfu since he keeps the server up.

no i wasnt there that night ruin killed him so i cant say much on the topic, but i understand how angry he is about wasting an entire night to kill a mob that shouldnt have ever been up in the first place, but sadly yes, he did address it in the wrong way.
 
Mythryn said:
The regualr server populace are not 'workers' they are people using Wiz's server, which he has placed countless hours into building and shaping. If you don't like what he does or what he says, you don't have to play.
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So now it seems you can't quite understand a metaphore. I was expecting it from Wiz, since he's heated right now, and everything will seem an attack to him, but... Tapein... put aside that hate you have for me (don't hide it, even your guildies have told me you talk shit about me). It was a metaphore, or whatever is spelled. All I'm saying is we all are too heated. we all should calm, and, once calmed, talk.

It's true that some of us have been suffering shit from some other people, in some other guilds... and it's true than some other guild leaders hate some of us, and insult us (You know who you are, so...) But that's part of any game, free, or payed.

If I have to add something is that's true that Wiz has been a little distant and unaccesible since C'n'D, at least with me. Can understand that... but... couldn't we just talk about this in a civilized manner? Cause, 2 answers I've had, and one is quite demeaning, in a way... Heh, go figures.
 
Also, what on earth does Legacy have to do with Lokdar quitting because I won't put up with being insulted? :?
 
It just seems pointless for this to have happened. It was no different than wasting 2 hours after wiping any number of times to any other raid on any other day. It sucks, yes, but in reality is not that big of a deal. We've all spent countless hours playing (in terms of being in Ruin), seems like such a waste to throw it all away for something that happened during an extremely small percentage of one's playtime.

But I understand why you are angry and I will not say anything against that, other than you should do what you feel is necessary. Best of luck to you man, server won't be the same without you (despite what anyone says).
 
No, this is and has been my general feeling about this server for several months now. It is simply not fun to play here anymore free or pay, quite simply it has become work and far too much stress then my health can tolerate at the moment.
 
Tape has nothing to do with this.
And I understand your metaphor, it just wasn't used in the proper context. Saying he is our boss is wrong. Saying he is in control, is correct. He can treat us however he see's fit, and just because he may respond to something in a harsh manner is no reason to get on the batphone and tell everyone Wiz is biased.
 
Mythryn said:
Tape has nothing to do with this.
And I understand your metaphor, it just wasn't used in the proper context. Saying he is our boss is wrong. Saying he is in control, is correct. He can treat us however he see's fit, and just because he may respond to something in a harsh manner is no reason to get on the batphone and tell everyone Wiz is biased.
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I would also like to emphasis again that "shut the fuck up" isn't even a remotely tiny shred of the kind of verbal shit Lokdar has given me throughout the years just for not agreeing with him.
 
If me and others to follow did not quit today, or soon, we would have been banned by next month. It has simply gone that fucking far and is 100% intolerable to me personally at the moment.

And I do think you were a little too rough with Lokdar. You are rough with everyone and unpredictable.


I never tried to contact you cause I don't know wtf I am going to get or how I'm going to be recieved.

I am sure many others feel the same way.

And I do/did not respect anyone else in your upper administration enough to talk to them because quite frankly, bullshit aside, they deserve to die in a car fire for the personas they are/portray in game.
 
How comes now you need a context for a metaphor? Where did I said "Wiz is biased"? All I'm saying is that "just plain shut the fuck up" can heat whoever. Hell, it would heat me up...
 
Duma said:
If me and others to follow did not quit today, or soon, we would have been banned by next month. It has simply gone that fucking far and is 100% intolerable to me personally at the moment.

And I do think you were a little too rough with Lokdar. You are rough with everyone and unpredictable.


I never tried to contact you cause I don't know wtf I am going to get or how I'm going to be recieved.

I am sure many others feel the same way.

And I do/did not respect anyone else in your upper administration enough to talk to them because quite frankly, bullshit aside, they deserve to die in a car fire for the personas they are/portray in game.
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This post is compressed hilarity.
 
Duma said:
And I do/did not respect anyone else in your upper administration enough to talk to them because quite frankly, bullshit aside, they deserve to die in a car fire for the personas they are/portray in game.
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As a matter of fact, I was publivly insulted by a couple GMs on /shout... but no point in complainung, cause they would just delete petition, and, well... is a free server and all that.
 
Session Start: Sun Jun 26 11:56:39 2005
Session Ident: Wiz
[11:56] <Lokdar> wr going down boss?
[11:57] <Wiz> Don't know yet. I'm as bloody anxious as the rest of you.
[11:57] <Wiz> And don't pass that on.
[11:57] <Wiz> We have a contingency plan though.
[11:58] <Lokdar> roger
[11:59] <Lokdar> couldnt you switch the server and sites to a euro provider?
[11:59] <Lokdar> dif laws aye?
Session Time: Mon Jun 27 00:00:00 2005

Session Start: Mon Jun 27 17:11:14 2005
Session Ident: Wiz
[17:11] <Lokdar> this it boss?
[17:26] <Lokdar> been fun boss =/
[17:26] <Wiz> WR might not be dead.
[17:27] <Wiz> But in case it is - yeah.
[17:27] <Lokdar> we lose all that data?
[17:27] <Lokdar> could you cosmetically alter portions?
[17:27] <Wiz> ?
[17:27] <Lokdar> graphics and copywritten material
[17:27] <Lokdar> un skin everything to begin with
[17:28] <Lokdar> =/
[17:28] <Lokdar> fuck sony.
[17:28] <Wiz> it'd be easier to make our own game... which we are
[17:28] <Wiz> :p
[17:28] <Lokdar> but I just lost like a year and a half of my life =/
[17:29] <Wiz> Seriously though, we couldn't. They'd nail us for having a game with iksar.
[17:29] <Wiz> Or they'd nail us for having zones reminiscent of theirs.
[17:29] <Wiz> Or anything to the similar.
[17:29] <Lokdar> fuck man
[17:29] <Wiz> Either we fend them off entirely, or we break loose and do something new.
[17:29] <Wiz> There's no middle ground, really.
[17:30] <Lokdar> arent swedish copyright laws dif?
[17:30] <Wiz> We're looking into that too.
[17:30] <Lokdar> could we pool for a defense fund?
[17:32] <Wiz> Nah... we could never muster enough.
[17:32] <Wiz> We're probably goign to ontact the EFF though.
Session Close: Mon Jun 27 22:37:57 2005

Session Start: Sat Jul 02 00:05:34 2005
Session Ident: Wiz
[00:05] <Lokdar> hows teh dt going boss?
[00:07] <Wiz> Quite damn good.
[00:07] <Lokdar> got a sshot?
[00:07] <Lokdar> for now ruin is in guildwars but we plan on coming back, atleast teh leadership core.
[00:08] <Wiz> GuildWars, by all I've heard, gets old very fast.
[00:08] <Wiz> No sshots yet :p
[00:10] <Lokdar> heh
[00:10] <Lokdar> just aslong as it isnt wroffline...online
[00:11] <Wiz> ... damn.
[00:11] * Wiz rewrites the dev plan.
[00:11] <Lokdar> who's on the modelling?
[00:12] <Wiz> Various people. We have two animators, a human modeller, an animal modeller and an object modeller.
Session Close: Sat Jul 02 02:59:06 2005


conversations like these too, I just went through all my logs which I will provide zipped before I go on a site with screenshots of good times for anyone willing to see the abusive language comes from wiz along with a juicy log of wiz threatening to ban me if i disclosed the spy in our guild who sends screenshots to him through zodium.
 
Nope... they were not in character... just using shout so onlythose in zone would read it... I mean... insults refering to real life, or calling me gender bender, or that crap... well... I don't see that as roleplaying, and you NEED to have lots of imagination to see it as roleplay, since, well... was refering to me, Marta, not Zaira... and even if they weren't representing administration, they could still (and I suspect they would) have deleted reports... so... go figures.
 
Elysium said:
gorgetrapper said:
Duma said:
By the way, this is official now.

I quit. Others will be in here soon to follow.
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Why are you still posting here if you officially quit?
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Why are you posting here? This has nothing to do with you.
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I'm posting here just like you, you have contributed nothing to this thread just as I have. So the same goes to you. You jerk.
 
Yes, Lokdar, we had civil discussions. It's really too bad you couldn't stay civil and not explode into flaming balls of conspiracy-rage and misdirected abuse, or you might not have quit today.

Also, "legacy spy"?

:lol:

The guy was a Ruin monk who Lokdar made train a bunch of players, and felt bad for it afterwards, so he contacted staff. For some reason we didn't ban Lokdar for this, just suspended him. I suspect that Lokdar won't include that bit in his good times log for some reason.
 
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