Fragmented Choker from ToT

BenGordon

BenGordon

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I feel this item is way too close to Cajaf for being 2+ tiers above it.

Fragmented Choker (Mephar Boss Upper ToT)
Slot: NECK
AC: 30
Effect: (Choke [lvl 12 enchanter DoT] clicky)
STR: 15 STA: 18 AGI: 15 WIS: 10 INT: 10
HP: 185 MANA: 145
MR: +10 CR: +10 PR: +10
wt 1.0
Class: war pal rng shd mnk brd rog bst

vs
Cajaf, Choker of Recollection (farguziar 2nd prison dragon)
Slot: NECK
AC: 20
Effect: 43% haste
STR: 15 STA: 12 AGI: 15 DEX: 12
HP: 170 MANA: 160
MR: +10 FR: +10 CR: +10 PR: +10 DR: +10
wt 0.1
Class: war pal rng shd mnk brd rog bst

So the comparison pretty much speaks for itself. The mephar mini (corefire) could probably solo 2 fargs at once and boss is no pushover either. Both necks have the same classes, and its a pretty cut and dry comparison. Choker is basically a 10ac 15hp upgrade while losing 10 FR and 10 DR. I dont feel like the choker is lacking rather that the Cajaf is far overpowered for its tier (majority of IP loot overpowered but thats a different post). So basically my request is nerf cajaf to 150 hp and +5 to all resists. Or improve fragmented choker if that is a more viable option, I won't complain but I do feel these items are definitely too close in statistics.
 
So there was nothing wrong with Cajaf, Choker of Recollection when your guild got a couple of them and used them to get where you are now and when you no longer need it its overpowered and needs to be nerfed.
 
Noktar said:
So there was nothing wrong with Cajaf, Choker of Recollection when your guild got a couple of them and used them to get where you are now and when you no longer need it its overpowered and needs to be nerfed.
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More like, there is something wrong with Cajaf now that a mob several tiers above farg is dropping a neck that is barely an upgrade?
 
Comparing this item to Torque of Immortal Fire and Cindered Construct Bindings (stats not included), it seems to be pretty close to all of these other melee necks. I think there was already a restructuring of necks, so I am not sure if they want to go back and fix all of them again. The fact that you get 1.5x the ac of the Cajaf is pretty nice, and 15hps is a decent upgrade. Maybe this item could get 44% haste to be another haste item, and more of a "straight" upgrade to the Cajaf. If the haste is not an issue, then I think the 10ac 15hps and the added int and wis for hybrids makes this a nice upgrade.

(The clicky is cute in theory, but in reality doesn't do much at all. It is added aggro and a nice tagging item, but at this tier, you have better things to be doing with your time or faster pulling items.)
 
It could be made much lighter (thinking of monks out there !) to start with. It could get like 10 DEX and CHA too, a thing lacking in a lot of pieces of gear for non casters as it was posted some time ago.

Another thing : how long is the clicky casting time ? it's a fun debuff but sounds a bit weak on such a high tier item.

If it's not meant to be a haste item, could use some focus, Recovery, even FT.
 
"So, yea, hmm, now that u got over that tier, lets nerf for the incoming people, since we dont need it anymore"

Yea they are basicly the same. 10AC is good, but i think that the clicky should be something more useful, than both necks would be cool.
 
I'd have to agree that slightly beefing up the ToT neck would be ideal, vs nerfing the Cajaf (IF a change were to be made at all). I think the neck progress is currently fine as it is.
 
BenGordon said:
So basically my request is nerf cajaf to 150 hp and +5 to all resists. Or improve fragmented choker if that is a more viable option, I won't complain but I do feel these items are definitely too close in statistics.
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The Cajafs stats are in line with the tier it comes from now.
The 10ac / 15 hp gain seem to be a bit slim as an upgrade off the Fragmented Choker off an upper TOT mob though.

Faelus said:
More like, there is something wrong with Cajaf now that a mob several tiers above farg is dropping a neck that is barely an upgrade?
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This is backwards.

Noktar has it right. The Cajaf was fine for everyone to use to get to the Fragmented Choker. No one complained about nerfing the Cajaf after the re alignment of gear, only after you no longer need it. The Fragmented Choker needs a little buffing to stay in line with the neck items that come before it in this case.
 
After looking back at seductress neck and talisman of the sentinal - cajaf is probably not overpowered and I would have to lean towards small boost for the choker. The choke effect does seem quite worthless. I would say adding ft2 or ft3 instead of choke seems like a really good idea because a pure melee neck drops of ToT generals with + attack on it. If you boost the hp or ac anymore on the fragmented choker you would almost have to boost generals neck. But left alone it really is just a tiny upgrade over cajaf which doesnt seem right.

Fragmented Choker
Slot: NECK
AC: 30
Effect: flowing thought II or III
STR: 15 STA: 18 AGI: 15 WIS: 10 INT: 10
HP: 185 MANA: 145
MR: +10 CR: +10 PR: +10
wt 1.0
Class: war pal rng shd mnk brd rog bst
 
Aura of Balance would be nice for that. You don't see it too often or at all on meleeish gear and being 2 ft 2 recovery wouldn't be much more than you suggested.
 
Cajaf, Choker of Recollection (farguziar 2nd prison dragon)
Slot: NECK
AC: 20
Effect: 43% haste
STR: 15 STA: 12 AGI: 15 DEX: 12
HP: 170 MANA: 160
MR: +10 FR: +10 CR: +10 PR: +10 DR: +10
wt 0.1
Class: war pal rng shd mnk brd rog bst

vs

Talisman of the Sentinel (Faction Bound)
Slot: NECK
AC: 20
AGI: 5 DEX: 5 HP: 150 MANA: 150
MR: +10 FR: +10 CR: +10 PR: +10 DR: +10
wt 0.5
Class: all

Pretty sure Cajaf is right in line.
 
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