Farmers

[Sigurd]

I only think it's jerkish when there's a group there that CAN get exp, they ARE getting exp, and they are aiming for a named mob that they have a chance of doing, and the high level farmer breezes by them to kill the named for cash.

But in this case if the experiance group is in a zone for XP, then a higher level killing the one named mob shouldn't effect their ability to gain XP that much in a zone full of mobs. If the experiance group is going after the named to get items then they are going after a mob with the same intention as the higher level so it doesn't seem like either the higher level or the group should have priority over it since they are going after that named with the same intentions. If they are equally going after a mob then whoever is better able to get to and take down the mob should get it. It would be the same if you had two groups going after the samed name or two higher levels, either way they all should be equal in priority and not given preference because they are getting XP in addition to the item.

But thats just my view on it.

 

[Zalman]

I only think it's jerkish when there's a group there that CAN get exp, they ARE getting exp, and they are aiming for a named mob that they have a chance of doing, and the high level farmer breezes by them to kill the named for cash.

But in this case if the experiance group is in a zone for XP, then a higher level killing the one named mob shouldn't effect their ability to gain XP that much in a zone full of mobs. If the experiance group is going after the named to get items then they are going after a mob with the same intention as the higher level so it doesn't seem like either the higher level or the group should have priority over it since they are going after that named with the same intentions. If they are equally going after a mob then whoever is better able to get to and take down the mob should get it. It would be the same if you had two groups going after the samed name or two higher levels, either way they all should be equal in priority and not given preference because they are getting XP in addition to the item.

But thats just my view on it.

I don't think it should be too much to ask for people to show some common courtesy.

Many times have I been clearing to a mob with a group that is quite capable of doing it only to have someone 20 or 30 levels higher than the zone mobs swoop in and snake it before we can finish clearing (or after we've cleared and are buffing/medding for the named). This has also happened with groups coming in to take camps from under the nose of another group when both were of appropriate levels but one had spent the time clearing the spawn and were not fresh for the encounter.

It isn't against the rules (as far as I understand it), but that doesn't mean people aren't being huge cunts when they do it.

Of course, this is the internet.

 

[Zaphyr]

I think it's stated best in the server rules page on the home page.

17.
Hold your ground and you shall lose it We do not recognize camps in any shape or form. "Rights" to a mob in the eyes of the staff belongs to whoever engaged it first. Anything beyond this very simple rule is for players to settle.

 

[yerlin]

Allow me to Elucidate on the situation that im running into.
Last night, My friends and I camped our charactors in shadowdale in hopes to work on the ruby hilted longsword quest.
The mobs in the zone are blue, light blue and the ancient treants are even yellow and red. Now IMO that is the right level to
be doing the quest. Its still a challenge. I need almost a full group to do it. I would see the longsword being a 45-50s sword (meaning its very good for those levels)
Now, I woke up and got on in the early morning, there was hardley anyone on. I ran around and looked for any of the mobs I was supposed to kill and found none, but I did find a 65 magus and his 38 druid farming the peices to the quest.
(Of course he was using the druid to track down the mobs)
I attempted to talk with him, but he didnt respond to me.
The way I see it, is that I could race and fight against the people farming it, in which I am at the disadvantage(because I need others to kill it with me, nearly a full group) Or I could make 10 levels in the same amount of time it would take to get the sword and get a better one, or I could go fight money dropping mobs and make enough money to buy 3 of them.
(all in the same amount of time)
Now people will probabley say well theres your solution. I say, I dont believe the game was meant to be that way.
I have alot more fun doing the quests and hearing the storys and I feel like I accomplish something when I do them.
With farmers, many of the quests become difficult to impossible.
Now, I am level 44 on both of my charactors and I have yet "needed" to farm mobs green to me to get a good amount of
money.

As A final statement I will say, I know a few charactors(that I will not name) That all they do is farm all day long (they dont even level)
I think its a problem when people are killing green mobs and getting rewarded, better than those killing things there own level.

 

[Aytowun]

im with yerlin 100%

unfortunately maybe some of these farmers are making bad choices with their time

i think with the exception of certain items (self invis shoulders) u can earn more money on stuff that isnt green at the 60+ range anyways

plus you wont need spell money if u kill stuff that drops spells, then you can trade the ones you dont need for the ones you do need.

you need charm money u say?

theres still plenty of things at the high end to get $ from...

1 quick example: Aireilly (spelling?) will give u 100pp for each kedge water

and there is enough stuff that drops in the high end zones that isnt nodrop to sell anyways

 

[aarielly]

Actually, the ancient treants there have a rare drop of ancient treant leaves, that is used not only for the quest, but for the best tailor made item available (Mantle of the Forest). They are currently in even greater demand than kedge water, and 65 plus characters need them at least as much as the folks doing the wuest..

Maybe 65 plus and mid level characters should not need the same drops off mid level mobs. I'll make a post in the Tailoring Balance Discussion regarding this.

 

[Jame]

I don't think the Ruby Hilted Longsword quest is a good example of farming.

I started on the Ruby Hilted Longsword quest when I was 50. I'm now 65 and I still haven't completed the stupid quest. I've spent a lot of time in Shadowdale and you will still see me popping into Shadowdale now and then trying to complete the quest. Yes, I'm stupid like that.

The quest is long and painful. I don't think anyone in their right mind is farming it for cash. Hell, I don't think anyone in their right mind even does it in the first place.

 

[Aytowun]

The core members of my guild spent a solid week, maybe 10 days in shadowdale when we were 39-45-ish i believe

anyways we got 3 RHLS and every1 completd the Clearing a Way to Rivervale quest
http://www.angrygamer.net/sodwiki/index.php?title=Clearing_the_Way_to_Rivervale

i think the rhls seems like a really high end wepon though for this kinda lvl range

Especially when named minotaurs with 30k hp drop a pos 15ac bp in lasanth ( minotaur jailer have a rare drop? i hope so )

anyways, that quest is too much of a pain in the ass to farm it, but if u can handle shadowdale w/o killing yourself i recommend doing the rhls while exping in the lvl range i mentioned.

 

[Babs]

The point being, don't be a jerk.

I think this says it right there. I'm only in my 20s, but I've already done some cash farming. But before I do, I do a /who to see if there's anyone xping in the zone first. If they are using those mobs for xp, I go somewhere else. I know what it's like to go to a zone, have a good groups set up that is just managing to keep up with the repops, getting good experience, and some high level player who wants to farm loot/faction suddenly starts killing everything just because he can. After all, the rules say that if he engages first it's his mob. A few of these I've been able to talk to and get him to leave us alone. Some, though, pretty much ignored us or answered rudely.

So, just because in the rules it says you can do something doesn't mean that courtesy has to go out the window. Consider the needs of other players before you just take over a zone.

 

[Aytowun]

heres what i always wondered

what if 2 seperate groups are waiting for something to spawn and both engage simultaneously

is it now a dps race??

 

[Korinth]

Any level 65 that spends hours upon hours looking for the spawns in Shadowdale is mentally retarded, go farm something worthwhile<<endl;

 

[luciferblack]

Any level 65 that spends hours upon hours looking for the spawns in Shadowdale is mentally retarded, go farm something worthwhile<<endl;

It's good that you provided him with some examples of what to go get instead.

 

[Zhak Morris]

The point being, don't be a jerk.

But I like being a jerk

 

[Laksha]

only one person can engage first, thus whoever was awake in that scenario gets the kill, and plus chances of seeing two groups waiting for a mob to spawn is odd, most of the times when a group sees another group waiting for a mob first IF they are smart they will go elsewhere... I guess there are not many smart people uh?

 

[Korinth]

Any level 65 that spends hours upon hours looking for the spawns in Shadowdale is mentally retarded, go farm something worthwhile<<endl;

It's good that you provided him with some examples of what to go get instead.

If I told him what to farm instead, then I wouldn't be able to farm it as much anymore, now would I? Yay capitalism. Maybe I'll bind a 65 dru over near there, so I can farm everything at once!