Faralak's Loot Table in Storm's Eye - Booby prize too booby?

[gtoo]

Hmm, the point was to just suggest a slight improvement to Snowskin with some minor HP (in the 25 HP range).

If people want to argue that the cloak is fine as it is, then that's just another stance on the item, but I've never heard or seen anyone using the item because it's not worth the hassle of switching for minor benefits.

It's just nice to discuss some items and balance, I don't know why you have to add "oh my god why was this brought up" Jose It's not even an item I would ever be using on a Shaman, but that's why I like to discuss it to see what other people are seeing in the item from other SoD players' perspectives. In the other game, plenty of raid bosses were get X resist or wipe... on SoD, very few resist fights.

I know svs own Gtoo, but I haven't seen many Cold/Fire resist fights yet!

In the end, the question is simple: Faralak's other loots are awesome, is the Snowskin Cloak out of place? Are there situations where the Snowskin Cloak can be great, if so, where? I don't see the "wtf why did you post that" part of the question.

What people are saying, is that 30svc/svf is balanced for that item, because the saves make up for the lack of other stats. There are plenty of fire/cold based ae's where this is a useful situational item. Snowskin Cloak and a Shard of the Everchill would be pretty damn nice for say, a GotSS fight.

 

[Lyte]

You havent seen ANY CR/FR fights yet??????

Not where Cold/Fire resists are a key part of the fight?

Well, Steel hasn't done a lot of mobs remember Onos

 

[Onos Sideboard]

Not to mention, if the saves are only worth it for a monk pulling, how would adding 25hp/mana help? By your logic, the resists are still useless. Youd still wear the stat/hp/mana robes.

 

[Lyte]

Hmm, the point was to just suggest a slight improvement to Snowskin with some minor HP (in the 25 HP range).

If people want to argue that the cloak is fine as it is, then that's just another stance on the item, but I've never heard or seen anyone using the item because it's not worth the hassle of switching for minor benefits.

It's just nice to discuss some items and balance, I don't know why you have to add "oh my god why was this brought up" Jose It's not even an item I would ever be using on a Shaman, but that's why I like to discuss it to see what other people are seeing in the item from other SoD players' perspectives. In the other game, plenty of raid bosses were get X resist or wipe... on SoD, very few resist fights.

I know svs own Gtoo, but I haven't seen many Cold/Fire resist fights yet!

In the end, the question is simple: Faralak's other loots are awesome, is the Snowskin Cloak out of place? Are there situations where the Snowskin Cloak can be great, if so, where? I don't see the "wtf why did you post that" part of the question.

What people are saying, is that 30svc/svf is balanced for that item, because the saves make up for the lack of other stats. There are plenty of fire/cold based ae's where this is a useful situational item. Snowskin Cloak and a Shard of the Everchill would be pretty damn nice for say, a GotSS fight.

Thanks Gtoo, that's what I was wondering.. (if there were any raid bosses where CR/FR played a big role and that's a scenario where the Snowskin would shine.)

We haven't had a chance at the GotSS yet, and other than that I haven't seen a fight where CR/FR plays a big key role.

 

[Onos Sideboard]

Pretty sure Nart is fire as well? Kick me if Im wrong, but yeah. Either way, I can understand how you may have not encountered boss mobs where this would be useful for an AE etc, but gear is dropped so that you can progress and do those mobs =)

 

[Mythryn]

In the end, the question is simple: Faralak's other loots are awesome, is the Snowskin Cloak out of place?

No.

Well, Steel hasn't done a lot of mobs remember Onos

But, you said you have done all of this:

In quick summary on content we are doing: all of DHK, Stormkeep, Storm's Eye, Misery, half of PoT, most of PoA, MotE, Parcy, Mielech, and Cmal3/4.

:brow:

 

[Lyte]

Not to mention, if the saves are only worth it for a monk pulling, how would adding 25hp/mana help? By your logic, the resists are still useless. Youd still wear the stat/hp/mana robes.

Resists are never useless, I'm not sure what logic you are referring to? Since the start I've said it's a good resist piece; but, I have not see that many "situational" items in the game, so I had some questions about this piece. Adding some HP/Mana gives the Snowskin an extra oomph, which actually makes it more viable for more than 1 class to use in some more situations.

Oh, now that I think of it, Lavascale is 1 mob where resists are not bad. Gtoo mentioned GotSS, so that's 2. But yeah, hopefully we see more situational raid bosses because that would make more sense for these items to exist.

 

[Lyte]

In the end, the question is simple: Faralak's other loots are awesome, is the Snowskin Cloak out of place?

No.

Well, Steel hasn't done a lot of mobs remember Onos

But, you said you have done all of this:

In quick summary on content we are doing: all of DHK, Stormkeep, Storm's Eye, Misery, half of PoT, most of PoA, MotE, Parcy, Mielech, and Cmal3/4.

:brow:

And all were done without any focus on resists whatsoever

 

[gtoo]

Oh, now that I think of it, Lavascale is 1 mob where resists are not bad. Gtoo mentioned GotSS, so that's 2. But yeah, hopefully we see more situational raid bosses because that would make more sense for these items to exist.

It would be really dumb to list every fight where fire/cold resists are important, but someone is going to do it anways. Its probably best just to believe the people that have posted that they do exist.

 

[Onos Sideboard]

Yes I may have exagerrated your attitude towards the resists. But the fact that you are asking for just a small amount hp/mana because this cloak appears lackluster to you shows that you are underestimating the benefit of such high resists. Therefore you would likely use the alternative cloaks rather than this one, unless the situation calls for the high resists. *But* if the situation calls for these kinds of resists, the cloak is invaluable and not a booby prize by any means, hp/mana or not.

 

[Onos Sideboard]

In the end, the question is simple: Faralak's other loots are awesome, is the Snowskin Cloak out of place?

No.

Well, Steel hasn't done a lot of mobs remember Onos

But, you said you have done all of this:

In quick summary on content we are doing: all of DHK, Stormkeep, Storm's Eye, Misery, half of PoT, most of PoA, MotE, Parcy, Mielech, and Cmal3/4.

:brow:

And all were done without any focus on resists whatsoever

Im gonna beat a dead horse here and just remind you that you are in possesion of Zhak and Coltaine, and certain aspects of some encounters can be overlooked with minimal consequences.

 

[Lyte]

Oh, now that I think of it, Lavascale is 1 mob where resists are not bad. Gtoo mentioned GotSS, so that's 2. But yeah, hopefully we see more situational raid bosses because that would make more sense for these items to exist.

It would be really dumb to list every fight where fire/cold resists are important, but someone is going to do it anways. Its probably best just to believe the people that have posted that they do exist.

Yeah, I don't need a list. We know what mobs we have to try, it's just up until this point I haven't seen many CR/FR dependent fights so I was curious about the Snowskin.

That's why I think situational items are fine if you guys know where it's useful. It's the first situational item that I've seen though

 

[Lyte]

Im gonna beat a dead horse here and just remind you that you are in possesion of Zhak and Coltaine, and certain aspects of some encounters can be overlooked with minimal consequences.

Well yes, but what I mean by CR/FR dependent fights is that other members need the resists as well. For 99% of raids we only use Coltaine, and we realize what a benefit it is, so let's not get into it

Like I said, we haven't seen many CR/FR dependent fights, and this was the first clearly situational piece of loot I have seen, so it raised my eyebrows. If CR/FR dependent fights exist, (and some of you say they do), then that's cool.

 

[gtoo]

Oh, now that I think of it, Lavascale is 1 mob where resists are not bad. Gtoo mentioned GotSS, so that's 2. But yeah, hopefully we see more situational raid bosses because that would make more sense for these items to exist.

It would be really dumb to list every fight where fire/cold resists are important, but someone is going to do it anways. Its probably best just to believe the people that have posted that they do exist.

Yeah, I don't need a list. We know what mobs we have to try, it's just up until this point I haven't seen many CR/FR dependent fights so I was curious about the Snowskin.

That's why I think situational items are fine if you guys know where it's useful. It's the first situational item that I've seen though

You haven't seen a Shard of the Everchill? or Lecticar's Ring? Both are pretty situational items. I have bags and bags full of situational items.

 

[Lyte]

Oh, now that I think of it, Lavascale is 1 mob where resists are not bad. Gtoo mentioned GotSS, so that's 2. But yeah, hopefully we see more situational raid bosses because that would make more sense for these items to exist.

It would be really dumb to list every fight where fire/cold resists are important, but someone is going to do it anways. Its probably best just to believe the people that have posted that they do exist.

Yeah, I don't need a list. We know what mobs we have to try, it's just up until this point I haven't seen many CR/FR dependent fights so I was curious about the Snowskin.

That's why I think situational items are fine if you guys know where it's useful. It's the first situational item that I've seen though

You haven't seen a Shard of the Everchill? or Lecticar's Ring? Both are pretty situational items. I have bags and bags full of situational items.

Haha, yes but first off a raid boss which was why it caught my eye. This is the 4th or 5th time I've seen the Snowskin so I finally decided to ask the rest of the raiders what's up with situational items.

 

[Mythryn]

it's just up until this point I haven't seen many CR/FR dependent fights so I was curious about the Snowskin.

Because you haven't seen that much of the raid game. You haven't seen the 4200pt nuke on Advisor, or the AEs on GoTSS, Yziar, Spiders in PoTorment, or even some of the mobs in PoAir. (Resist based fights in general)

 

[Lyte]

it's just up until this point I haven't seen many CR/FR dependent fights so I was curious about the Snowskin.

Because you haven't seen that much of the raid game. You haven't seen the 4200pt nuke on Advisor, or the AEs on GoTSS, Yziar, Spiders in PoTorment, or even some of the mobs in PoAir.

That's fine, looking forward to it.

You could have just answered the question simply "The Cloak owns because there are some great CR/FR resist fights ahead of you." It's a discussion, not a fight.

 

[Mythryn]

The cloak is great. The saves rock, and so does the AC. Sure, it's situational, but who cares?

I tend to get frustrated when people don't see what's right in their face

 

[Onos Sideboard]

I did say it owns because of the CR/FR and you ignored me ;(

But yea, it isnt a fight, just tryin to explain.

 

[Lyte]

The cloak is great. The saves rock, and so does the AC. Sure, it's situational, but who cares?

I tend to get frustrated when people don't see what's right in their face

Don't read the thread then

Honestly, no raid boss within reach of us (except GotSS which we didn't try so I didn't know) needed the CR/FR so it was confusing~