Faralak's Loot Table in Storm's Eye - Booby prize too booby?

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Lyte

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Faralak seems to have a weird item in his loot table.

Symbol of Shojar's Chosen
Slot: Neck
Focus Effect: Frozen Thoughts (10% Cold Damage)
10 Cha, 15 Wis, 15 Int, 65 Mana
Class: Dru, Shm, Nec, Wiz

Runed Helm of the Blizzard
Slot: Head
AC: 31
8 Str, 10 Wis, 8 Agi, 65 Hp, 100 Mana
10 sv Fire, Disease, Cold, Magic, Poison
Class: War, Clr, Pal, Shd, Brd

Snowsilk Cloak
Slot: Back
AC: 21
10 Dex, 5 Sta, 10 Agi
30 sv Fire, 30 sv Cold
Class: Who cares

The first two items are amazing. Most bosses seem to have a "booby" prize, but does anyone find the last item really out of place? It's great for a resists piece but could possibly use some minor HP/Mana because when compared to other cloaks obtainable with similar difficulty, the svs don't really balance out the massive stats/HP/Mana (and svs too) that the other cloaks have.
 
That cloak is not out of place imo. The Resists/AC are very worthwhile. Its a very nice pulling/situational item.
 
It does have massive resists, but, yeah, I agree that it looks a little weak.
 
Hmm, I would agree with you Onos; however, let's compare to this:

http://www.shardsofdalaya.com/wanelo/items.php?id=4901&charid=1238313

Similar AC, stats, and has 90 HP/90 Mana. I admit it might require a bit more difficulty to acquire the above cloak, but let me find more examples. This was just the first I could think of off the top of my head.

Another example from Coralsha:

Cloak of Coralsha
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM
Slot: BACK
AC: 12
DEX: +4 CHA: +4 WIS: +4 INT: +4 AGI: +4 HP: +75 MANA: +75
SV FIRE: +7 SV COLD: +7 SV MAGIC: +10
WT: 2.5 Size: MEDIUM
Class: ALL
Race: ALL

Decent svs, AC, 75 HP/75 Mana. Most would use this over the Snowskin indefinitely, and it's from a comparable mob.

Even your cloak Onos, is comparable and doesn't require as much difficulty or raid force to get:

Pestulent Shark Hide Cloak
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM
Slot: BACK
AC: 10
STR: +12 DEX: +20 STA: +12 AGI: +20 HP: +60
SV DISEASE: +10 SV POISON: +10
Weight: 1.5 Size: Medium
Class: WAR PAL RNG SHD MNK BRD ROG BST
Race: ALL
 
Thinkmeats said:
You're whining about an item that has SIXTY points of saves?
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... where am I whining :p I mentioned it was good for resists and could use some minor HP/Mana.

Relative to some obtainable cloaks, the benefits of the svs don't outweigh the pure 75-100 HP/Mana some other cloaks have, and those other cloaks usually have svs of 10 as well.
 
Summoner such a different encounter and really should not be compared to Faralak.

Faralak is a YELLOW con mob, he has rediculously good loot for how difficult he is.
 
guyvertoo said:
Summoner such a different encounter and really should not be compared to Faralak.

Faralak is a YELLOW con mob, he has rediculously good loot for how difficult he is.
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Yeah, I included some more Cloaks from similar raid encounters instead of Summoner cloak.

Faralak does drop great loot, that's why the Cloak seems out of place :p I'm not saying a word about the other loots.
 
Zhak Morris said:
Faralak is a YELLOW con mob, he has rediculously good loot for how difficult he is.
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I would tend to agree
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*bonks Zhak on the head*

Omg, we're not talking about his loot table in general :p We're talking about that 1 cloak that could use like 25 HP/25 Mana!
 
1) Summoner > Faralak

2) Faralak AC >>> PF and Coralsha, Faralak Resists >>> PF and Coralsha (Snowsilk is a situational/resist item like I speculated earlier)

3) In terms of balancing, I think to add HP or Mana some resists would have to be lowered. That would be a shame, since it really seems like the intent of this item is to deal with the cold damaged spells in Storms Eye. Its a balanced item in my book for the kill.


I couldnt begin to explain how helpful that cloak would be for a monk pulling in Storms Eye. As for other classes, if you want HP/Mana, wear Coralsha or Summoner... If you need the extra bump in resists, switch it out. Its a game of choices!!
 
Onos Sideboard said:
1) Summoner > Faralak

2) Faralak AC >>> PF and Coralsha, Faralak Resists >>> PF and Coralsha (Snowsilk is a situational/resist item like I speculated earlier)

3) In terms of balancing, I think to add HP or Mana some resists would have to be lowered. That would be a shame, since it really seems like the intent of this item is to deal with the cold damaged spells in Storms Eye. Its a balanced item in my book for the kill.


If you want HP/Mana, wear Coralsha or Summoner. If you need the extra bump in resists, switch it out. Its a game of choices!!
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Haha, I wish it were a game of choices more often :) But to really make it a game of choices, you'd have to make the cloaks a bit more different and increase the differences. Right now, most comparable Cloaks do have up to 10 svs in Fire/Cold already, meaning the Snowskin only has a 20 svs advantage but is missing huge HP/Mana/Stats.

Just a simple query will show that very few people swap Snowskin Cloak because although the svs are amazing, they don't outweigh the all-around benefit that 75-150 HP/Mana will have. Will the tank ever wear Snowskin over 150 HP Cloaks? Nope. Will the other raid members ever wear Snowskin Cloak for Storm's Eye even? Probably not. Very few Cold/Fire AEs you cannot avoid, and the Cold DDs will not hit you often enough for you to justify wearing the Snowskin.

In the end, it's only useful for monks who pull in some zones :) If that's the vision of the Cloak, then it works. Even then, with some Monks and their ability to FD after Cold DDs for example, higher HP items with some resists would still be better overall.
 
Lyte said:
*bonks Zhak on the head*

Omg, we're not talking about his loot table in general :p We're talking about that 1 cloak that could use like 25 HP/25 Mana!
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You have to know when a piece of loot is brought up it will be compared with other loot from the same mob. You even listed the stats for his other loot.
 
Thinkmeats said:
Lyte said:
a bunch of item links
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None of those come close to 60 in saves, and the cloak is obviously a saves-centric item. It seems to serve its purpose well.
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How many people swap Snowskin Cloak to replace their Cloaks for specific raid bosses or events?

If the item served it's purpose well, there would be a boss in Storm's Eye with an unavoidable Cold AE that was highly resistable if you had high Cold Resist.

If it serves it's purpose well, we'd see a lot more people using it for that purpose :p I want the game to be a game of choices and selective gear, but right now, it's not.
 
guyvertoo said:
Lyte said:
*bonks Zhak on the head*

Omg, we're not talking about his loot table in general :p We're talking about that 1 cloak that could use like 25 HP/25 Mana!
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You have to know when a piece of loot is brought up it will be compared with other loot from the same mob. You even listed the stats for his other loot.
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Yes, that was one of my main questions. Is the cloak out of place, because Faralak's other loots are so great, or is the cloak a booby prize and serves an alternative role as a resists item that they are already happy with?
 
I really can't believe this was even brought up. The cloak is great. The saves rock, and so does the AC. Sure, it's situational, but who cares? Faralak isn't a hard mob, but his loot is pretty decent because he's one of the first 'OMGG lets not just sit here and beat on a mob' encounters.
 
Hmm, the point was to just suggest a slight improvement to Snowskin with some minor HP (in the 25 HP range).

If people want to argue that the cloak is fine as it is, then that's just another stance on the item, but I've never heard or seen anyone using the item because it's not worth the hassle of switching for minor benefits.

It's just nice to discuss some items and balance, I don't know why you have to add "oh my god why was this brought up" Jose :p It's not even an item I would ever be using on a Shaman, but that's why I like to discuss it to see what other people are seeing in the item from other SoD players' perspectives. In the other game, plenty of raid bosses were get X resist or wipe... on SoD, very few resist fights.

I know svs own Gtoo, but I haven't seen many Cold/Fire resist fights yet! :D

In the end, the question is simple: Faralak's other loots are awesome, is the Snowskin Cloak out of place? Are there situations where the Snowskin Cloak can be great, if so, where? I don't see the "wtf why did you post that" part of the question.
 
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