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The main problem with it is that there aren't all that many resistible elemental nukes at high-end raid tiers. It was still extraordinarily broken in the instances where it did work
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So this has been changed from something that was VERY good but in a very limited number of circumstances into something that is very bad in the same number of limited circumstances.

Indeed by the time you can get volumes 3 and 4 the number of circumstances you will use it drops to zero.

Time for a re-think in my opinion.
 
What about changing it up completely and have it where when you are in a form it adds further advantages of that form:

Air -> stuns more often with each rank and nukes a bit harder with each rank. More mr each rank
Fire -> more haste per rank, increased melee Dmg per rank and more fr
Water -> larger % slow more cr
Earth -> more hps more ac more mitigation

Also could add hp/resist across the board per rank
 
It's a mostly bad tome but if you made it work in some way with unresistable aoe it could have its uses in a lot of situations at the tiers you'd actually be doing class tomes.
 
Moraelintz said:
What about changing it up completely and have it where when you are in a form it adds further advantages of that form:

Air -> stuns more often with each rank and nukes a bit harder with each rank. More mr each rank
Fire -> more haste per rank, increased melee Dmg per rank and more fr
Water -> larger % slow more cr
Earth -> more hps more ac more mitigation

Also could add hp/resist across the board per rank
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This would be extremely tedious to do. (We'd have to make 48 more buffs, one for each rank of the tome, for each rank of the AA, for each element. If we wanted to do it the easy way.)
 
Zapple said:
It's a mostly bad tome but if you made it work in some way with unresistable aoe it could have its uses in a lot of situations at the tiers you'd actually be doing class tomes.
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Maybe just make any form work against unresistable damage, but at half effectiveness (2.5% per rank)? Free 10% spell ward at rank 4, almost.
 
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This would be better than its use right now, but wouldn't exactly live up to what the tome description says. I guess as long as the mana conversion rate stays untouched I would find it acceptable. Mages can have some serious mana problems doing anything but short fights, despite what a certain poster who thought that Tear of Elael was a bad item says about that.
 
I wouldn't mind if unresistable work with every form, also wouldn't mind just a flat out buff of hp/ac/resists/Dmg or whatnot per rank.
 
Zapple said:
This would be better than its use right now, but wouldn't exactly live up to what the tome description says. I guess as long as the mana conversion rate stays untouched I would find it acceptable. Mages can have some serious mana problems doing anything but short fights, despite what a certain poster who thought that Tear of Elael was a bad item says about that.
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Maybe have it do just the mana conversion on unresistables. I guess guaranteed 10% spell damage reduction would be pretty powerful for 1 tome line, on reflection.
 
The mana reclaim is the worst part of the tome.

Basically Mages never go out of mana on Boss fights - so the mana reclaim is (almost) zero benefit.

OK I have heard that there are such fights in Tur'Ruj - but I am yet to see them.
 
It would be situationally better than Reclaimed Mana and Strands of Life still (aoes vs adds/exp groups) but those have a wider application. Maybe an extra 10% reduction would make mages survivability stand out, I don't know about overpowered though. It would definitely make a lot of mages want the tome at the very least, compared to now where we've been doing it for something to dump experience points into for lack of better tomes.
 
I completely agree with zapple, and I can think of my fair share of times running lom or oom on numerous fights and zones. Just because you do not have mana issues does not mean the rest of us don't.
 
yep same w/ Shimone and Zappel
and sry Zoroth how do you nuke i have so many fights i have tu us the tear cliker on co use mana pots and rods all time and still ruun lom / oom

and ya the mana gen is nice but as it is it works on 1 fight in tur ruj maybe 2 fights in spires and non in IS so on the time you get make the tome 3/4 it is no more need for it
and non of the exp zones you go on the raid lvl triges the tome
 
Found another bug that would have prevented the effect from triggering on AEs on older content (including ToT). This tome was really poorly coded, but I think everything should be right after next patch.

Also got some agreement for the half-effectiveness-again-unresistables thing, so that'll go in next patch as well.
 
So how does the mana conversion part of this tome even work, anyway? It says 1/2/3/4% of the total damage is converted into mana but is this damage taken or the base damage of the spell before any damage reduction mechanics? i.e. an aoe with a base of 4000 hits you so you gain 40 per tome (160 with tome 4 completed) OR is it damage after reduction mechanics, say you had 10% spell ward and tome 4 done, and the spell is unresistable so you reduce that 4000 to 3200 (20% reduction from spellward and embodiment) and then calculate based on that gaining 4% of 3200 or 128 mana.


By the way on the topic of mage class tomes, I'm not asking for anything to be changed or anything but there seems to be conflicting information out there on what Empowered Storm actually does.

The wiki says it adds an additional 1% chance to crit rain spells (seems unclear as to whether whoever edited this in actually knew this as fact as it has a question mark) per tome completed, but the vendor in refuge had this to say:

"Reduces the critical hit chance penalty on area of affect and rain spells from base chance * 0.33 to base chance * 0.53-0.73-0.93-1.13)"
 
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Zapple said:
So how does the mana conversion part of this tome even work, anyway? It says 1/2/3/4% of the total damage is converted into mana but is this damage taken or the base damage of the spell before any damage reduction mechanics? i.e. an aoe with a base of 4000 hits you so you gain 40 per tome (160 with tome 4 completed) OR is it damage after reduction mechanics, say you had 10% spell ward and tome 4 done, and the spell is unresistable so you reduce that 4000 to 3200 (20% reduction from spellward and embodiment) and then calculate based on that gaining 4% of 3200 or 128 mana.
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The tome triggers after runes but before spell ward. You get 2% mana back (per rank) from the total damage you receive after any runes, then that same damage is reduced by 2.5% (per rank).


Zapple said:
By the way on the topic of mage class tomes, I'm not asking for anything to be changed or anything but there seems to be conflicting information out there on what Empowered Storm actually does.

"Reduces the critical hit chance penalty on area of affect and rain spells from base chance * 0.33 to base chance * 0.53-0.73-0.93-1.13)"
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It does exactly what the Logistician says. Crit chance is multiplied by 0.33 for AEs and rains, so the tome adds 0.2 per rank to the reduction amount.
 
so now only 1 thing the mage aa air form blocks final vah .... i know vah is like 12 efects in 1 buff but the air form is the most use on raids ect

so is ther a way you can make air form not block vah
 
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