Drop rates (asp skin, ancient treant leaves)

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Gea

Dalayan Adventurer
So. *cough*

You even decreased the droprate of giant asp skins and ancient treant leaves? Seriously?
im pretty sure I made like 20 AA with my 65 ranger soloing in the plaguelands. Hunting everything that moves in the northern part of WPL. Including every single Asp i saw. And i got one (1) giant asp skin so far. Was the droprate way too common or do i miss something? Seriously...

edit. i know, this is not the way to get a positive response. But this is just too obviously screwed up. I would really like to hear the reasoning behind it. Don't take personal offense, your work is highly appreciated.
 
Have you looked at the stats on mantle of the forest? It's raid caliber loot. It should not be easy to make.
 
Mantle of the Forests were entering the game at a rate of more than one a week. This was bad.
 
Valid point for rab and valid point for wiz. Tho I still think the droprate was low enough (VERY low tbh). At least on asp skins.

Anyways, the mantle is ub0r and it should be hard work, I agree, but did you think of Ruby Hilted Long Sword? That quest was hard enough imo.
 
If the item weren't so good, people wouldn't spend so much of their time trying to get the item.

/shrug

If people want something bad enough, they'll farm hard and long for it. I don't see how you can justify that...
 
Actually, people dont farm hard for the item. At least not all. They just buy the components for 500PP-2k. thats the main reason why there are so many of the mantle(if they really are). Makeing components nodrop may help. *hint (and I will get slaughtered for this)
 
if they were no drop, then aarieally would have to farm them to make the mantles, and there would be none.
 
You are probably right antihelay as sad as it is. So there are still some problems

a) droprate is too low (even was before the patch)
b) problem with RHLS. At this droprate it is nearly impossible to do for a 50th toon.

Im pretty sure those people who finished the mantle yet were farming very very intensive to get it. I really dont see any mudflation here, afaik we have 1 mantle in the guild so far. Dropping the droprate from very rare to nearly impossible to get was the wrong way imo.
 
personally i think its just about right, it's the rarest tailored item in the game, it should be extremely difficult to find to components for.

i mean, its better than most raid shoulders that drop up until prison, and because of that it should be extremely rare or else it creates overpowered raid forces which isnt good
 
We probably wont get together here. So let's take the mantle aside. Still a problem with Ruby Hilted Long Sword, which please should be adressed. I baught that sword because the quest was a pita, it's now nearly undoable I fear, so change it please ;)
 
The quest isn't all that hard. I'd say if you were a good ranger you could spend all day doing the quest and complete it. That nets you 1.5k for the sword to sell in /auc and 200p from the guy in Crow's tavern. 1.7k for a day's worth of work is still worth it.
 
I'm not a good ranger :(
Also, I dont need that Sword anymore. And also, who ever did this quest for your 1.7k Plat is absolutely retarded. (btw i baught mine for 1.5k sold it for 1k thats the prices atm).
 
Gea said:
sold it for 1k thats the prices atm).
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It's ok if the price on the sword goes up a bit, it's quite a valuable item in and of itself. Certainly, if the ancient treant leaves sell for ~750 pp + (and I've seen them do so) I would think the value of the sword will probably also go up; to about 1500 +. Still not too much, imo.
 
completely aside from the RHLS issue which I think is valid (perhaps fixable by changing the treant leaves to another component dropped by the new treants in shadowvale?) I still think that the changes to the drop rates or difficulty for the mantle has been raised just a bit to far.

I agree that it should be hard to get... and make but There is already the fact that you need Tailoring maxed, Brewing Maxed, Pottery Maxed and some skill in Alchemy to do the combine *and* more then a 50% failure rate for the actual combine once you get the components.

Then adding a super rare drop rate for the Giant Asp Skins, and Ancient Treant Leaves to the ointment supplies needed, the skills acquired in various tradeskills and the huge competition for all of them, plus the failure rate in the combine and it's crazy to try and make this item anymore.

I agree, it should be hard... even very hard - but this may be one step too far imo.

All that said I know I've been kind of given things kind of easy with taking over Aarielly's business - but understand those are really big tailored shoes to fill. I've watched, and helped for quite awhile as Aarielly built her skills up and I do understand the time and effort put into those tradeskills. My own were finally starting to get closer.

I'm not in a huge high level guild, Nor do I have the loyalty and respect Aarielly did for all her work with tradeskills. There are still however lots of people still looking to me to make these, and it will be nearly impossible for me to do so, with my resources and time. My first priority has to be my guild, and then my tradeskills and lastly any other gaming I get to do if I can steal a few minutes for myself.

I'm sure the other tailors have similar time constraints although with different things taking up their time, so the result I see coming is that 15k or so will be nothing compared to what the price will become as people try to get this item.

At the moment for each mantle successfully made you'd need at least 4 skins, 4 leaves, 16 of each ointment ingrediant and the spikes. The last two I attepted, even with the bonus to tailoring failed. So just since I took over the reins, my first mantle combine will require at least 3x the supplies needed at a super rare drop rate!

That doesn't even take into account that the ointment needed is in high demand for imp skins and shadowsilk as well, so without a little stock in hand to fill other orders I can't even attempt the combine.

A slight counter-balance I would request is a *slightly* lower failure rate on the combines, or a new ointment component that isn't in such demand for the other things.

Just my opinion, and the beginings of my experiance with this item...
 
Allielyn said:
It's ok if the price on the sword goes up a bit, it's quite a valuable item in and of itself.
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just to clear that up. imo prices do NOT go up, even with droprates being lowered. As I said in another thread, server economy goes to a deflation atm (from my experiences), which is not that much better than mudflation.

And Grizabella, thanks, you expressed it better than I ever could (and yes, I was wrong with the nodrop thing of course).

If I ever get the items together I send you a tell. let's fail :D
 
Gea said:
imo prices do NOT go up, even with droprates being lowered. As I said in another thread, server economy goes to a deflation atm (from my experiences), which is not that much better than mudflation.
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I think you're trying to say that in your Experience prices usually don't increase (since of course, the value of an item doesn't depend on your opinion =P). While this is almost universally true, supply and demand can create a price increase on certain items, as you recently saw with the price of Ancient Treant Leaves jumping from 200+ pp per to 750+ pp per. Due to the fact that the supply of Ancient Treant Leaves is now even more severely constricted, I would expect the price of the RHLS to increase.

The only way this would not happen would be if there were a lot of other very comparable weapons entering the market so as to make the RHLS only "worth it" at a lower price. AFAIK, that's not the case; I can't think of any droppable comparable weapons to the RHLS, much less prices. But perhaps I am just uninformed as to that sector of the market.

I will admit, the market has a memory. It may be that people will /auc WTB RHLS but only be willing to pay 1k pp (because they've seen it go for that; or others have told them it's only worth that much). In that case, you have two options: Hold out for more money later, or cave in for fast cash. In the cases where I know the item is worth more, I personally don't undersell myself. Whether or not others do is only my concern in cases where I buy their merchandise and resell at a profit.
 
I noticed the same thing w/the asp skins myself. The robe imo however is much much muuuch harder to get the ingredients for, in that you pretty much have to have a group to take down the mermaids from what ive seen, and no one like ever wants to go to sirens. Those ingredients also come from mobs that are far harder than treants or asps, things easily pretty much soloed.
 
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