Draft of a letter to Toyota

Used to be, when I was young and working as a bagger at the local grocery store, I always asked what kind of car people had and how they liked it. Interestingly enough, Subrau and Saturn owners loved their cars the most.

Still, I have to agree with 'Rett. Toyotas pwn. Nissaans too by the way. Hondas are good as well but in my families' experience, Hondas don't hold up to the kind of abuse we put out (accelerate quickly, slam on breaks, take turns and speedbumps at high speeds) on a regular basis. Its possible we just got Honda lemons (two of them. . .) but we've never had those kinds of problems with our Toyotas or Nissans.

P.S. Geo Prizms are amazing - they have the same engine as the Toyota Corrola, just a different shell. Toyota car for Geo price ftw.
 
hondas are just as nifty as toyotas, but yeha, they dont' put up with your crap as well. They need more regular mantainance, and are REALLY expensive to repair if any belts die, etc.

I put over 100k on a toyota RAV4 (starting at 80k), and spent a total of about 800 bucks on repairs, oil changes, etc.
 
More like ford.

I currently have 2 focuses, 2 F-150s and an explorer.

Never had any problem buying any of them. Ford > Toyota tbh. npnp
 
Bone said:
More like ford.

I currently have 2 focuses, 2 F-150s and an explorer.

Never had any problem buying any of them. Ford > Toyota tbh. npnp
buying fords are easy. driving them after 100k miles is the problem. reselling them after 50k miles is the joke.
 
The 00 Focus has 125k, 01 has 144k, the 97 F-150 has almost 150k+, The explorer has 96k and my new truck has 30k. Its all in how you take care of a car.

My parents sold their 85 Camaro 2 years ago. It had 750k miles on it. I still see the kid they sold it to driving it around.

I do see alot of broken down Hondas and Toyotas around here.... maybe they all got weighed down with all those extra wings, ground effects, crazy systems, and super awesome cold air intakes.
 
Bone said:
I do see alot of broken down Hondas and Toyotas around here.... maybe they all got weighed down with all those extra wings, ground effects, crazy systems, and super awesome cold air intakes.

I lol'd


My family 96' mercury villager had like 215k when we sold it 3 years ago and it ran pretty much perfect having only oil changes as recent maintenance.
 
iaeolan said:
I lol'd


My family 96' mercury villager had like 215k when we sold it 3 years ago and it ran pretty much perfect having only oil changes as recent maintenance.
totally agree that its possible to keep a ford/dodge up to shape.... but from my obviously imperfect personal experience, it costs more to keep up, and more often.
 
Anectodal evidence aside, thorough reviews and testing from Consumer Reports support the assertion that Toyotas and Hondas outlcass Fords in reliability and engine life.
 
Allielyn said:
Anectodal evidence aside, thorough reviews and testing from Consumer Reports support the assertion that Toyotas and Hondas outlcass Fords in reliability and engine life.
 
I work for Nissan, and I put them very close to Toyota and Honda, although if I had to choose an order, it'd be Honda, Toyota, Nissan, the rest.

I will never buy domestic.
 
Hasrett said:
It's all explained pretty clearly in the letter, but basically my gf and I had a pretty crappy experience shopping for cars last Saturday. I thought it'd be worth writing a letter to the folks at that dealership and cc'ing it to Toyota corporate (although the only info I found in a brief search was for the "customer experience" office or some such.

I was hoping to get some input on the letter. Too long? Too passive aggressive? Not aggressive enough? Any thoughts would be great... this is just kind of a first draft that I wrote up while bored at work.



Dear Sir or Madam:

I am writing to inform you of the unpleasant experience my girlfriend and I recently had while shopping for a new car at your dealership.

We arrived at the dealership in the early afternoon of Saturday, July 28, and were greeted by a friendly and helpful gentleman by the name of Luis. Luis took us on a test drive in a 2007 Camry LE. We both enjoyed dealing with him. After returning from the test drive, however, Luis handed us over to a salesman, Grant. Initially, Grant seemed friendly and eager to help. He sat us down, chatted a bit, and then started working up a quote on the vehicle my girlfriend, Rebekka, was interested in. During this time he repeatedly badmouthed the Toyota dealership in Vallejo, describing their shady business practices and the excessive and unreasonable pressure they put on customers to buy a car then and there. As unprofessional this seemed, it was reassuring, and we informed Grant that Rebekka was not prepared to make a purchase that day. We told him she was planning on buying within the next week.

At about this time someone, I assume a manager or supervisor, dropped by to see how things were going. Grant responded by tossing his little pricing packet across the desk toward the other gentleman and saying, and I quote, "This is pointless, they aren't even buying today." I was so shocked that I don't remember exactly how the other man replied, but in effect he told Grant to work with us a little bit and see what he could do. Grant grudgingly did so, spending a few minutes telling us that it was pointless to try to get a price estimate unless we had the cash in hand, and in the end basically told us to come back with the money if we wanted the real price. He then told us to call him if we needed anything (I had asked for his card), stood up and walked away. He did not offer to shake hands, thank us for our interest, or even ask for a phone number to call to follow up.

I have never been treated so rudely by a salesperson in my life. Perhaps some salespeople do not realize it, but purchasing a new car for the first time is both an exciting and intimidating process. It is not a decision most people make in a single day, let alone a few minutes. To be treated like we were a waste of time because we were looking for a car to purchase in a week, rather than in an hour, was infuriating. Of course, on the flip side, such treatment makes for a great story.

I write this letter in hopes of reminding you at Lithia Toyota, as well as the individuals at the Toyota Customer Experience Center, of the way things work for the customer. We, the buyers, are not there to meet or beat a sales target before the end of the month. Upon leaving the dealership, when I suggested that we make sure we speak with a different salesman when she was ready to buy, Rebekka stated that she would not be returning to Lithia Toyota. After some shopping online, she has decided to make her purchase, the same 4-cylinder Camry LE, from Modesto Toyota, whose representative was friendly and helpful, and actually willing to offer a reasonable price despite the fact that she was not in his office with a signed check. We will be driving down there from Davis this Saturday to make the purchase.

I hope, if nothing else, our experience will prevent the same thing from happening to the next customer at your store.

Thank you for your time,


Hasrett


(I'll be replacing "Grant" with "Mr. Whatever" when I have his card in front of me)

holy shit. I can't believe he actually said that in front of you, 'You aren't buying.'

I recently got out of the car business, after selling a 30,000.00 mustang to an 84 year old woman at full sticker, without even giving her the rebate. When she told me her three sons were leeching off her and she was renting a double wide trailer, and was living off her dead husband's savings (which she told me after I got her to circle a 72 month payment and sign) I started to regret the deal I had made and the very next day, quit the car business. That isn't the only shitty part about being a salesperson....What sucks the most, is having to BOTHER PEOPLE. Yes. Bothering people is basically all you do, as a sales associate. I worked at All Star Ford which is one of the nine dealerships in the All Star ring, the largest automotive ring in Louisiana. As a result of this they have a rigorous training program, and every single person you come into contact with, get this, you have to call ....1st day followup phone call, 3rd day, 7th, 10th, 15th, 21st, and 30th day followup phone calls. You gotta call all your customers on their birthdays, you can have over 200 customers easily. It's a true pain in the ass

getting back to your message, that salesman entirely screwed up when he said 'this is pointless, they arent buying today' . there's a saying all buyers are liars. essentially nobody is buying 'today' unless you get that 1 out of 20 type of customer, with excellent credit, who wants to get a vehicle and get outta there in less than 2 hrs. That same guy usually knows a thing or two about the car biz and will try to not only get the price at invoice, but even dig into the holdback, meaning you only earn 100.00 for dealing with that person.

Any veteran salesperson will tell you to tell people, as soon as they say 'we don't plan on buying today', to smile, and say 'I wouldn't expect you to!' .because nobody else tells 'em that and it takes pressure off em.
 
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