Draft of a letter to Toyota

Hasrett

Dalayan Beginner
It's all explained pretty clearly in the letter, but basically my gf and I had a pretty crappy experience shopping for cars last Saturday. I thought it'd be worth writing a letter to the folks at that dealership and cc'ing it to Toyota corporate (although the only info I found in a brief search was for the "customer experience" office or some such.

I was hoping to get some input on the letter. Too long? Too passive aggressive? Not aggressive enough? Any thoughts would be great... this is just kind of a first draft that I wrote up while bored at work.



Dear Sir or Madam:

I am writing to inform you of the unpleasant experience my girlfriend and I recently had while shopping for a new car at your dealership.

We arrived at the dealership in the early afternoon of Saturday, July 28, and were greeted by a friendly and helpful gentleman by the name of Luis. Luis took us on a test drive in a 2007 Camry LE. We both enjoyed dealing with him. After returning from the test drive, however, Luis handed us over to a salesman, Grant. Initially, Grant seemed friendly and eager to help. He sat us down, chatted a bit, and then started working up a quote on the vehicle my girlfriend, Rebekka, was interested in. During this time he repeatedly badmouthed the Toyota dealership in Vallejo, describing their shady business practices and the excessive and unreasonable pressure they put on customers to buy a car then and there. As unprofessional this seemed, it was reassuring, and we informed Grant that Rebekka was not prepared to make a purchase that day. We told him she was planning on buying within the next week.

At about this time someone, I assume a manager or supervisor, dropped by to see how things were going. Grant responded by tossing his little pricing packet across the desk toward the other gentleman and saying, and I quote, "This is pointless, they aren't even buying today." I was so shocked that I don't remember exactly how the other man replied, but in effect he told Grant to work with us a little bit and see what he could do. Grant grudgingly did so, spending a few minutes telling us that it was pointless to try to get a price estimate unless we had the cash in hand, and in the end basically told us to come back with the money if we wanted the real price. He then told us to call him if we needed anything (I had asked for his card), stood up and walked away. He did not offer to shake hands, thank us for our interest, or even ask for a phone number to call to follow up.

I have never been treated so rudely by a salesperson in my life. Perhaps some salespeople do not realize it, but purchasing a new car for the first time is both an exciting and intimidating process. It is not a decision most people make in a single day, let alone a few minutes. To be treated like we were a waste of time because we were looking for a car to purchase in a week, rather than in an hour, was infuriating. Of course, on the flip side, such treatment makes for a great story.

I write this letter in hopes of reminding you at Lithia Toyota, as well as the individuals at the Toyota Customer Experience Center, of the way things work for the customer. We, the buyers, are not there to meet or beat a sales target before the end of the month. Upon leaving the dealership, when I suggested that we make sure we speak with a different salesman when she was ready to buy, Rebekka stated that she would not be returning to Lithia Toyota. After some shopping online, she has decided to make her purchase, the same 4-cylinder Camry LE, from Modesto Toyota, whose representative was friendly and helpful, and actually willing to offer a reasonable price despite the fact that she was not in his office with a signed check. We will be driving down there from Davis this Saturday to make the purchase.

I hope, if nothing else, our experience will prevent the same thing from happening to the next customer at your store.

Thank you for your time,


Hasrett


(I'll be replacing "Grant" with "Mr. Whatever" when I have his card in front of me)
 
Seems fine to me m8, did you already buy the other car though? Chances are you can get a crazy deal out of something like this if they get nervous enough at the bad pr machine.

Having worked in sales pretty extensively at times for major purchase items (big ticket mostly, 2k+ luxury items, jewelry etc) it isn't an easy purchase to buy anything expensive, even if its functional like a car. Sounds like you just ran into a total dickwad. I mean granted, alot of people say they're not buying right now, which means they're not at all interested, very few say it and mean hey im coming back. As a salesperson this gets mad frustrating sometimes, but you also make your commission by being nice, ingratiating yourself to people etc. You want them to think of a certain product, and think of you, then call you. Sounds like he's really just a shitty salesman.

Though he was kind of correct in regards to getting a real price, though harsh. He can't really give you too much of an exact simply because price fluctuations on items like that are pretty rampant, so it can change from day to day, also sales quotas are a big influencer. Someone's made it for the month, and you can get alot more leeway out of them. If not, you may need to fight like hell for it. Best bet is to not go near the end of a month. Though it also depends on when they have to make quota by, this can vary, but usually doesn't.
 
I imagine if she had been ready to purchase on that day, it would have been a good opportunity to get a good deal from a salesman trying to make his quota. Bekka definitely doesn't want to go back to that dealership, though, and to be honest, neither do I. As nice as an extra couple hundred bucks off the car would be, I think it's worth making a statement to them that this kind of thing doesn't just get ignored if they'll cut you a deal.

Thanks for the input =)
 
Great letter, mate. Very well stated, not too aggressive or angry, very informative and nearly-obscenely clear. It's unfortunate that you and Rebekka had to endure such an insult in order to get to the bottom of a good deal. It is, however, very fortunate that you are able to calmly and clearly inform both the dealership and corporate of a bad apple that will lose them good, honest customers.

Hats off to you -- my letter would've been chock-full of nastiness.
 
Dear Mr, or Mrs. Hasrett ,

We appreciate your continued interest in Toyota™ and it's vehicles. Your comments are greatly valued and vital to the continuing success of Toyota™ and our many line of products. Please enjoy this enclosed certificate for the sum of twenty dollars ($20) for use towards any new or used vehicle, service for qualifying vehicles, or vehicle accessories at participating dealerships. Once again, thank you for your valuable input.

Sincerely,

Toyota
 
Hasrett said:
a good letter

i like this letter. i'd say you should make sure that a copy goes to the good dealership, bad dealership, the slandered dealership, and whoever in corporate.
 
This is why you buy from a dealership your family works at and get mad discount and no dick moves.
 
I work with car dealerships a lot. Modesto Toyota is a great place as well as Concord Toyota.

You have to realize the salesperson turnover rate at a lot of car dealerships is very quick and there are a ton of crappy, noob to novice car salespeople. I have actually seen people work and move from 1 car dealership to another in the same city but are still the same crappy salesman with a bad attitude and usually a huge ego.

Eventually i see a huge renovation which results in wiping the sales manager and all the underlings, this seems to happen about once every 6 months or so if the dealership is doing bad. Sometimes they rehire or move people and sometimes they don't.

My advice would be to find the car you want by doing some research online. Then demand a price at the dealership. DO NOT research at the dealership with a salesperson. They will tell you what you want to hear.
 
Bekka ended up buying the 4-door 2007 Camry LE 4-cyl outright for $100 under invoice this weekend. She was happy with the price and we both liked the salesman we dealt with.

The letter has been sent out with a few small changes to Toyota corporate, consumer experiences, and the dealership we got shafted by. If we had dealt more with the dealership she bought from it would have gone to them, too, but we pretty much just talked to the guy a couple times and then went in and made a take-it-or-leave-it offer.

As for the whole Toyota sucks thing... don't even get me started. I've personally owned Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Ford, Chevy, and GM, and my various family members have owned a whole lot more of most of those. We have all had by far the best experience with Honda and Toyota. The two are pretty much neck and neck in my book, and IMO you can't go wrong if you get either one (I drive a 2006 CRV).
 
My first new car was a Saturn.
My second new car was a Saturn.
My current car is Jeep, from Carmax.

There are those that tell me I have never experienced buying a car.
 
moghedancarns said:
My first new car was a Saturn.
My second new car was a Saturn.
My current car is Jeep, from Carmax.

There are those that tell me I have never experienced buying a car.
/shudder

Supposedly Saturn has been fixing stuff up recently, but the ones from the '90s and the early part of this decade have one of the worst repair records of all manufacturers. I wouldn't touch a Saturn with a 3-foot pole, unless it happened to be a baseball bat.

As for a Jeep... no idea how reliable they are, but I never plan to drive one. I work in an auto insurance defense firm where we litigate cases on behalf of drivers insured by Progressive. More than 40% (no exaggeration, I've gone through over 200 past and present cases checking for this specifically) of the accidents had a Jeep either at fault or sharing fault in the accident.

I don't know whether it's the drivers or the vehicles, but I try to stay as far away from the damn things as possible.
 
You sure breathe a lot of sunshine into my life.

A... what is a repair record? The only trouble I ever had with my Saturns that was not caused by violent blunt force trauma was that if I did not drive it for a couple months, the engine/transmission/fuel injection was kind of jumpy for a few miles. No complaints there. And no matter how bashed up it got, they always seemed to be able to put it back together for minimal cost.

The Saturns did cause State Farm to decide I required some "other" insurance carrier, however. Not all of it was my fault, and I certainly payed them more than they ever payed out, but they cut me when I got married because my rates would be going down.

My Wrangler is now like 7 years old, 116k miles, and no trouble. unless you count the CD player skips alot when it pours rain and I have the top down... an event which happens only twice a month. It works again when it dries out. It get 25 mpg average in the summer, and most of my driving is stop and go, red light to red light.

Of course, my lawnmower is a Honda and it will not start and my grass is growing in this heat with daily thunderstorms. But, given it has lived like 25 years of never having an oil change and being left exposed to the elements, I suppose you will use that as an excuse, huh?
 
moghedancarns said:
A... what is a repair record?
See consumer reports reliability ratings and the surveys used to determine them.

I generally try to rely on a broader range of factors than just anecdotal ones, although I'll admit it's impossible to completely discount your own experiences with a manufacturer. Just the fact that most manufacturers (e.g. chevy, gm, ford, subaru (I think, not positive on this one), mitsubishi, nissan, dodge/chrysler) have roughly 15-100% more vehicles that require major, non-wear, non-collision related repairs than Honda/Toyota is enough for me. They aren't the only ones that are highly reliable, but they have models that appeal to me, coupled with reasonable prices, good mileage (for the most part), fantastic engineering and design, excellent safety ratings, relatively reasonable insurance rates, great factory warranties, AND freakishly high resale values down the road.

I'll take it.

But hey, YMMV. When buying a car, get the kind you want. You're spending way too much money to be roped into what someone else things is a good car, if you don't like it.
 
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