DM Platemail Boots X Heavy Shelled Boots . . .

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Ryei

Dalayan Beginner
Oh well, i am not a trade skiller, but, i think the Deepmetal Platemail Boots are a bit weak for its price to make... I mean, the common going price of it, is near 2000pp, and... it just sux comparated to the Heavy Shelled boots (wich you can easly get for like 300-500pp).

So what i am sayin here is, i bet not many ppl would want to buy/make a DM plate boots, cuz its not worth the raise of the skill, and you probably wont even sell it!

So here it goes:

Deepmetal Platemail Boots
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: FEET
AC: 19
This item is made with tradeskills.
STR: 5 STA: 10 CHA: 7 HP: 60 MANA: 60
SV Magic: 5
Recommended Level: 45
WT: 9.1 Size: SMALL
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD BRD
Race: ALL
Slot 1, type2: empty
Slot 2, type2: empty

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Heavy Shelled Boots
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM
Slot: FEET
AC: 25
STA: +10 HP: +45
SV FIRE: +3 SV DISEASE: +3 SV COLD: +3 SV MAGIC: +3 SV POISON: +3
Weight: 8.1
Size: SMALL
Class: WAR PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1, type2: empty
(You get it either killin the turtle, or buy since its cheap).

Lookin to both of em, id say the only toons that would buy one of those DM Plate Boots, would be either a BARD or a CLERIC(if cleric, id rather get me a Shadow Silk tbh), since they cant use the Heavy Shelled one.

Even if you double augment the DM boots, its still not a great upgrade from the Heavy Shelled, so i would just stay with the heavy shelled, since the prices are too distant from each other. . .

Cant we, i dont know, maybe add more AC to the Deepmetal boots? or some more saves, or maybe like +15 hp, not sure...

Well feel free to discuss, and if it would degree the balance between others and all, well just forget it, ill live :)

Thanks for reading.
 
When you also add in Boots of the Steadfast, i rarely see DMboots
i know they are an upgrade but don't know about an 2k one :)
 
People selling the Heavy shell shouldn't sell for 500pp in my point of view. Or maybe you're just bringing numbers to your advantage. Anyway it's the sellers' psychology in fault not the item.
Anyway it has become quite difficult to kill Lenny cause it's heavily camped. This itself should increase the selling value.
 
Dzillon said:
Anyway it has become quite difficult to kill Lenny cause it's heavily camped. This itself should increase the selling value.
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So, it's hard to kill Lenny because he gets killed all the time?

Shouldn't that flood the market and cause price drops?
 
TS items are fine as is, in some cases I think they are already too over powered with the double augs.

If you double aug the boots with EQ augs they are better than the Lenny boots, and Lenny is not that difficult at all for his loot.

Deepmetal Platemail Boots
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: FEET
AC: 29
This item is made with tradeskills.
STR: 5 STA: 10 CHA: 7 HP: 60 MANA: 60
SV Magic: 5
Recommended Level: 45
WT: 9.1 Size: SMALL
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD BRD
Race: ALL
Slot 1, type2: Exceptional Quality Armor Runes
Slot 2, type2: Exceptional Quality Armor Runes
 
Yeah, we're not really going to make it so that deepmetal replaces even MORE low-tier raid / pseudo-raid loot.
 
Dzillion is right though, Heavy Shelled shouldn't be selling for that low amount. Merely a reflection of market flooding I guess. Once the bind on equip changes go in you should see the prices on those boots rise significantly.
 
I am going to have to agree with Xardon and TM on this one. I think tradeskill items are pretty crazy as is. Making them even better is pretty questionable at the very least. Fusion is trying to break into IP and most of our casters still wear shadowsilk stuff because it is simply better (double augmented of course). I really do not think any increase in DM/SS/IH should ever occur.
 
Allielyn said:
Once the bind on equip changes go in you should see the prices on those boots rise significantly.
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Some of us can hope that never happens. Many still feel the bind on equipment is not the way to go. Turning many loots no drop is a much better approach then a blanket Bind code.

As to the topic at hand.... Definitely nothing wrong with DM boots, its just that lenny is over farmed so War/pal/sk dont bother with DM boots. If lenny was switched to no drop loot (like what was subjested in other threads) DM boots worth would increase. Boots of the steadfast I never really saw as a replacement for DM or Heavy Shelled since they are a random drop off a tmap. Many people dont even bother with tmaps on there alts chooseing to just buy gear and level them.
 
Yeah, Lenny is damn overfarmed, i feel sorry for any shamans that would like to make their epic-face quest, cuz its damn hard to find that guy up...

And yeah for sure if Lenny drops were made no-drop, maybe DM boots would be more wanted. Its a nice boots, but i just dont see why would any SK/War/Paladin buy a DM instead of a Heavy Shelled (price wise its not worth it imo).

Thanks for the replys tho.
 
was thinking about it, don;t think i have ever seen Heavy Shelled Boots go for under 600 in the last few months, most have a 1k price
I still get 300-400 for Stalker Chitin Boots
 
The last few weeks (months really) thing have been super inflated. The influx of many new players has much do to do with this, along with Anti-farm codeing being put into place.

When I got my Heavy Shell boots they were 600pp, I also picked up bloody cloak of offering for 700pp. Now the boots are up around 1k and the cloak is 1500.
 
Kirin Folken said:
The last few weeks (months really) thing have been super inflated. The influx of many new players has much do to do with this, along with Anti-farm codeing being put into place.

When I got my Heavy Shell boots they were 600pp, I also picked up bloody cloak of offering for 700pp. Now the boots are up around 1k and the cloak is 1500.
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Think of it less as items being inflated, and more as they are no longer being sold at absurdly low prices. Also, I feel too many people undervalue the benefit of the 2 aug slots on all player crafted items.
 
Tempus said:
Think of it less as items being inflated, and more as they are no longer being sold at absurdly low prices. Also, I feel too many people undervalue the benefit of the 2 aug slots on all player crafted items.
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I agree with some items it was definitely a case of mass flooded market driving the price ddown to nothing. Anti farm code seems to have decrease the influx of certain items drasticly, making htem once again a decent price. (thats a good thing)

As to the double aug slot...

For clerics the DM boots are better hands down... however for tanks.. even with the double aug slot its a dubious choice.

Deepmetal Platemail Boots
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: FEET
AC: 29
This item is made with tradeskills.
STR: 5 STA: 10 CHA: 7 HP: 60 MANA: 60
SV Magic: 5
Recommended Level: 45
WT: 9.1 Size: SMALL
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD BRD
Race: ALL
Slot 1, type2: +5 AC aug
Slot 2, type2: +5 AC aug

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Heavy Shelled Boots
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM
Slot: FEET
AC: 30
STA: +10 HP: +45
SV FIRE: +3 SV DISEASE: +3 SV COLD: +3 SV MAGIC: +3 SV POISON: +3
Weight: 8.1
Size: SMALL
Class: WAR PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1, type2: + 5 AC Aug

First off is price... 2k for DM boots vs 800-1000 for Heavy Shell. Add on top of this aug codes.. first aug is a wash with ether boot, however the DM boot requires a second aug to have the same AC. So your looking at anywhere from 1300-1500 more PP for the DM boots. What you get in return??

+5 str +7 cha + 15 hps +60 mana
But lose the +3 to saves and 1 AC

Now for a SK or Paladin.. prehaps thats not a horrible upgrade vs the cost (I personly think it is but if your at a point were you have upgraded everything else.. prehaps the extra hps and mana means something.) TO a warrior however.. its not nealy as good. Consider for 1500pp you might be able to pick up another item of upgrade.

Currently it comes down to.... can you upgrade something else? if its yes.. dont bother with DM boots. If its no... can you afford to blow 1500pp on a minmal upgrade?

Definitely vote that Lennys drops go no drop. You would see the DM boots value to players (not nessaryly there price) increase greatly, so there would no longer be the cheap option of Heavy Shell boots.

(of course bards will take the DM boots since they can't even wear the Heavy shell plus DM have 7 cha on them)
 
HS boots are definitely geared towards warriors

DM boots are more "well-rounded"

The reason DM boots have less AC is that they have 15hp more (which would be an E-Q aug right?), 60mana (2 E-Q augs?), and better stats. They lack some saves, but have higher MR.
 
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