Discussion: Shaman Cannibalize
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I am dual clienting a mage and a shaman. While the mage is full of mana all the time, the shaman is always low on mana but that doesn't mean he always needs to be full of mana. Yes, the slow and the malise and the dot are really expensive (and at times, I don't even malisement and just malise with the mage), but while the mage is on top of things healing the pet and sprinkling in a nuke my shaman is in the back meditating. Sometimes a monster is hitting more often then I like it, so the shaman needs to help with the healing.
The healing is really expensive at 41 so I might get 2 or 3 off and just have a tiny bit to go for another. If the canni was implemented like a lich, I would have to wait for a tick but in this case, the shaman needs the mana now so he can start casting the heal sooner. Sometimes that is all it takes to win a fight, a few seconds shaved off in response to something.
I am dual clienting a mage and a shaman. While the mage is full of mana all the time, the shaman is always low on mana but that doesn't mean he always needs to be full of mana. Yes, the slow and the malise and the dot are really expensive (and at times, I don't even malisement and just malise with the mage), but while the mage is on top of things healing the pet and sprinkling in a nuke my shaman is in the back meditating. Sometimes a monster is hitting more often then I like it, so the shaman needs to help with the healing.
The healing is really expensive at 41 so I might get 2 or 3 off and just have a tiny bit to go for another. If the canni was implemented like a lich, I would have to wait for a tick but in this case, the shaman needs the mana now so he can start casting the heal sooner. Sometimes that is all it takes to win a fight, a few seconds shaved off in response to something.
Canni + Slumber is a bit overpowered
The reason that Canni is so efficent is because right after a Shaman canni's down to about 20% he can slumber himself and continue canni'ing.
A "nerf" for this might be making Torpor / Slumber non castable for about 24-30 seconds after they Canni, or just make canni give an effect to not allow HoT type spells to stack on them.
The reason that Canni is so efficent is because right after a Shaman canni's down to about 20% he can slumber himself and continue canni'ing.
A "nerf" for this might be making Torpor / Slumber non castable for about 24-30 seconds after they Canni, or just make canni give an effect to not allow HoT type spells to stack on them.
Raroks idea has nothing to do with shaman mana regen, it instead focus's a completely unneccessary and out of topic nerf on shaman healing. If you make it so HoT's wont work especially shaman ONLY ones this will just nerf shamans without dealing with the so called mana regen problem. Shamans would just get CH's and mendwounds + other DIRECT heals cast.
maddctr said:
It actually has everything to do with Shamans mana regen. Stopping a shaman from being able to Torpor himself after Canni'ing would force them to either use a less efficent healing spell or only go for a short time before they can unload their HP into their mana. Having someone else do the healing is a way around it... but that requires someone elses mana.
No sorry rarok, wrong once again. I have max heal adept and with a mend wounds I can pretty much cover the hps lost to canni 5/ cannidancing in one direct instant heal with mendwounds. The loss in mana vs ancient torpor is 100 mana.The gain from doing this is lowering the chance of low hp agro. Not all shamans have my amount of aa andd this would hit home more to them than myself.This idea is absurd and offtopic, not targeting shaman mana regain rate <which the ideal has not been disclosed> and instead targetting shaman healing abilities.
Shaman needs to canni to keep party alive vs. random high level mob
Shaman Canni's for 1900hp
Shaman drops to 11% hp and is immediately eaten.
Oh no, wish slumber still worked.
Unless you are L65 with 100 aa's a bunch of good high level armor there isnt a shaman on this server who can SURVIVE AA Cannibalization without atleast Focus of Soul on much less stay out of the 30% hp aggro zone.
This would be a nerf completely unrelated to the established problem. not only would it be about shaman healing but it would keep shaman from helping their group by not being able to canni on demand to get the needed mana to keep them alive.
Shaman Canni's for 1900hp
Shaman drops to 11% hp and is immediately eaten.
Oh no, wish slumber still worked.
Unless you are L65 with 100 aa's a bunch of good high level armor there isnt a shaman on this server who can SURVIVE AA Cannibalization without atleast Focus of Soul on much less stay out of the 30% hp aggro zone.
This would be a nerf completely unrelated to the established problem. not only would it be about shaman healing but it would keep shaman from helping their group by not being able to canni on demand to get the needed mana to keep them alive.
maddctr said:
Just for the record, it may be an ineffective idea, but it isn't off-topic. One of the main reasons that shamans can canni4/cannibalize so often is because they're almost guaranteed to get to full health directly afterwards.
Duma said:
maddctr said:
Now, unless either of you have an amazing idea that could be used to "balance" out shaman's mana regen (despite the fact that Wiz said it's most likely not going to change), then I suggest you stop poking flimsy holes in somebody else's suggestion.
Surely you can see that his idea isn't being put in, so there's no need to attack it so aggressively.
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