Discussion of possible FD and Agro problems?

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Depx

Dalayan Beginner
I wanted to start a post on some problems Ive come across with FD and agro in general and see if anyone else is getting them, or similar, etc. So Im just going to list what has happened to me, and go from there :p.


First one was the other night in Mielc. My group is in what we call the disco area, where there is 3 golems and the cabalist/ph spawn. We had 2 SKs, myself and Halisstra. We had some problems getting it split due to bad luck so it was taking awhile. At one point though we had 2 of the Golems out front, and the frog/other golem back at their spawns. Hal was already FD, and then I FDd the 2 golems, seconds later (not sure if Hal got up and FDd again or not) one of the 2 golems out front came straight at me and attacked me while I was FD. This golem ran past the other one, but that one turned and walked back to his spawn point. So I was getting hit while FD by one, but the other just kept walking back. I stood up, and the other came back for me at that point and I FDd both of them off.


The second one happened in the same spot. Hal had FDd with low hps, and I had stood up trying to split them. One came in close to us, but I had an add so I FDd again. Soon as I did the closest golem hit Hal and killed him while he was FD.


The third problem happened in the same spot again heh. We had gotten it down to 2 golems and the frog (yes we were having a crappy night). Hal died spliting, and we had rezzed him, etc. I decided while they were getting ready, to try something else and do the split alone. I used the spiderkin webs and rooted one golem, frog nuked from his spawn, and I FDd with the other golem by me. I waited for root to wear off, stood up and began tanking the closest one. I then checked the 2 spawns and they were not moving at all back at their spawn point. So I said I had them split and everyone came in. I was playing the cleric also and healed my SK, as soon as I did the 2 spawns back at their spawn points came through and killed the cleric, and we evacd out. The cleric had been casting heals on the SKs when they were FD, if this is somehow tied to the mobs agroing later on I have no idea.

The fourth one happened probably a week or so ago. I was soloing in Mielc and had a pet out. I wasnt paying attention to what I was pulling and pulled one of the blademasters(?) that hits a bit hard for me to solo. From another possible bug/intended (Pet dies while FD and mob attacks you, this was awhile back and now I just play it safe), I sent my pet away before FDing. Soon as pet was gone I FDd. I was very low on health and waited a few to get up. I eventually stood up and checked the mob to make sure he wasnt coming back and he wasnt. I went back somewhere safe and recast my pet. At this point I sat down and memmed pet haste, and just about then got nailed by the mob I had FDd off a few minutes ago and I died. I can only think in this case that the mob had 'agro' on my pet, and by recasting the pet, it came running for it, but since I was still very low on health it went straight for me as soon as it got close.


I have had some other times that Ive gotten hit while FD, but nothing clear cut enough that I can give the exact details of what happened. Also wanted to include that if you dot(and maybe other spells) a mob and FD, the dot ticking after FD makes you 'go in to combat' while FD, and even when the dot fades off you stay in combat. At that point you have to FD again to clear out the combat messages so you can med again.

PS - Wasnt sure where this should get posted, since I really dont have suggestions or requests or anything, just getting a discussion started on it if anyone besides me out there is getting these type of problems.

Depx 65 Shadowknight
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i had similar experiences using the spiderkin webs. rootsplit, FD until the root/dot wears off, stand up, mob stays on his spawnpoint. so far so good but as soon as i use a clicky that mob comes straight for me. if i FD and let him reset again everything is fine - he won't aggro anymore whatever i do.
i have always wondered if that is a bug but was too lazy to post about it :D thanks for bringing it up, depx

Kranich
 
After FDing successfully and having the mobs reset, I cast invis on myself so I can run out. When invis landed the mobs re-aggroed.

After a few deaths from FDing with pet on (sometimes I forget) I have kinda justified it. Normally when you kill an NPC pet caster, the pet dies immediately. So I guess I just saw it that way. The pet was still up, so the mob wasn't fooled by the FD.

Been meaning to assign 'FD' and '/pet go away' to the same hot key and click it when I need to.

Then again, when one of our dots stays on the mob after FDing, we keep aggro. When an NPC dies, we still have the effects of root or a spell.

But of course, NPCs and PCs are different, just tossing that out there.
 
perhaps I can answer about one of the problems but not all of them, in the instance of
"So I was getting hit while FD by one, but the other just kept walking back. I stood up, and the other came back for me at that point and I FDd both of them off. "

Just because you FD, and a mob starts to walk back to their spawn, does not mean they have lost aggro, you have to wait for them to get back to their spawn completely and then even give them a few seconds,

this is where tag pulling developed, when you had that one standing over you and the one walking away, that is the oppertunity your groupmates need to take to tag the single thats by himself standing over you. You Stay down till the other is back at his spawn, get up, watch him.. if he doesn't move, run to your group and start hitting the one they are fighting from the back,
make a hot key for tagging, make sure your tank has you as an assist, hit the "Tag Now" announcement when you feel its safe for him to hit the single one, and make sure your targetedon the standing one. sometimes you don't have long before the standing one moves back as well.
 
Thats not the point of what Im saying Telkiney, I know all about that. The point is I was agrod by one while FD, but not the other, and both were away from their spawn points (meaning something is broken), when I got up, then they both came. I played iksar sk to 65 on that other game, and on this game, been there done that over and over :p.
 
Depx said:
(yes we were having a crappy night).
<Chaotic Winds>
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I Pked you badly too :s


ps : i never noticed fd problem at cabalist. Only use 1 Fder , wear resist magic for the frog.
 
Eleonor said:
Depx said:
(yes we were having a crappy night).
<Chaotic Winds>
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I Pked you badly too :s


ps : i never noticed fd problem at cabalist. Only use 1 Fder , wear resist magic for the frog.
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Ya different night and you have more hps unbuffed than I have raid buffed and I was exping, youre awesome, have fun PKing noone :p.
 
Eleonor said:
Depx said:
(yes we were having a crappy night).
<Chaotic Winds>
Click to expand...

I Pked you badly too :s


ps : i never noticed fd problem at cabalist. Only use 1 Fder , wear resist magic for the frog.
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I remember that night, technically your PK was the most dirty I've ever seen, waiting for him to engage tanking two mobs then jumping him from behind at 50% health ... thankfully we had a second tank in our group or you would have wiped us for sure.
 
Xardon said:
Eleonor said:
Depx said:
(yes we were having a crappy night).
<Chaotic Winds>
Click to expand...

I Pked you badly too :s


ps : i never noticed fd problem at cabalist. Only use 1 Fder , wear resist magic for the frog.
Click to expand...

I remember that night, technically your PK was the most dirty I've ever seen, waiting for him to engage tanking two mobs then jumping him from behind at 50% health ... thankfully we had a second tank in our group or you would have wiped us for sure.
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Stop it....
you had finished to Kill mob ....
so dont try this with me. I would never had killed him while tanking mob...
I have watched the fight & waited till the end.

Anyway , i had no clue Depx was Red name flagged & actually it's someone from his guild that guided me to him :s
 
That particular bug has been around sense i started pre-$oE attack. Wiz has not spoken much about it recently, I wonder if it's still considered a bug and not a feature? :0/
 
Since pathing is implemented at the moment I could imaging that at least some of the mentioned FD problems are connected to it.
Maybe this should be watched after all those stuff is done.


Sidenote: I had some weird FD problems myself :)
 
I have noticed that as a necromancer when you FD with a pet up attacking something if the pet dies (Not sure on if he is sent back) the mob the pet was attacking will still aggro you.
 
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