Defense while casting
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luciferblack
Dalayan Elder
Wiz said:
Didn't have my SK two months ago. So now...I'll...<sniff>...never know what it really means to be an uber tank... <sob>
Wiz said:
The Paladin 'raid tanking style' is supposed to be Guarding Blade which requires the use of a 2hander and increases hate and parry. Since I'm constantly using Yaulp 4, Flash of Light, Divine Stun, and my self heal while tanking, it makes this style pretty bleh since we lose the parry benefits during the casting.
Could Lady's Guard be removed for a tanking style requiring a shield?
luciferblack
Dalayan Elder
Without parsing, I will just guess, but doesn't this make lifetapping about useless? I'm talking about before 60 since things change a lot after that point.
Also knights MUST cast spells to maintain aggro whereas a warrior gets dual wield and (usually) faster weapons. Knights will have a finite amount of mana for taunt generation whereas a warrior will have unlimited dual wield.
I can understand limiting riposte or parry, but to remove both while casting doesn't seem fair to me.
At 47 as a SHD I regularly have a 38 warrior pulling aggro off me...without using taunt (at least she says she's not...I'll bonk her if she was). WAR using 7/19 / 12/30 weapons no haste item. My SK using 26/29 w/ shield 20% haste and casting dot's and hate spells.
Is this common? I would think that the level difference alone should make it fairly hard for her to pull aggro off me even if she did taunt.
Mitigation is only part of the tank's role. If the tank isn't holding aggro then the tank's mitigation isn't really that useful anyway.
Couldn't warrior mitigation be increased instead of removing parry/riposte from paladins and sk's?
The more I type the less I care though. So whatever. Haha...it's Friday and I have a long weekend coming up. :-D Yay!
Also knights MUST cast spells to maintain aggro whereas a warrior gets dual wield and (usually) faster weapons. Knights will have a finite amount of mana for taunt generation whereas a warrior will have unlimited dual wield.
I can understand limiting riposte or parry, but to remove both while casting doesn't seem fair to me.
At 47 as a SHD I regularly have a 38 warrior pulling aggro off me...without using taunt (at least she says she's not...I'll bonk her if she was). WAR using 7/19 / 12/30 weapons no haste item. My SK using 26/29 w/ shield 20% haste and casting dot's and hate spells.
Is this common? I would think that the level difference alone should make it fairly hard for her to pull aggro off me even if she did taunt.
Mitigation is only part of the tank's role. If the tank isn't holding aggro then the tank's mitigation isn't really that useful anyway.
Couldn't warrior mitigation be increased instead of removing parry/riposte from paladins and sk's?
The more I type the less I care though. So whatever. Haha...it's Friday and I have a long weekend coming up. :-D Yay!
diolas
Dalayan Beginner
I'm trying to grasp this situation.
To Summarize:
-Parry and Riposte were taken out during casting because of the major advantage of knights using shields (mitigation).
-Guardian blade allows you to still parry while casting but requires a 2h weap.
Why can't Knights riposte while using Guardian blade?
For that matter, why can't knights parry/riposte while casting while using a 2h weapon regardless of style?
Wiz said:
Wiz said:
Wiz said:
To Summarize:
-Parry and Riposte were taken out during casting because of the major advantage of knights using shields (mitigation).
-Guardian blade allows you to still parry while casting but requires a 2h weap.
Why can't Knights riposte while using Guardian blade?
For that matter, why can't knights parry/riposte while casting while using a 2h weapon regardless of style?
diolas said:
Clarify - Knights refers to Pally's - since SK's don't even get Parry with their aggro stance according to the Tome post on styles. Maybe this can be going into the roleplay/design element that has always seemed to link Pally - Defensive; SK - Offensive.
diolas said:
Because they can't
. Perhaps it could be along the line of adding another unique element to the style or also the trade off of using 1H/Shield vs 2H (in 2H you generally lose some defensive capabilities)*edit for spelling *
diolas
Dalayan Beginner
Ok, so a paladin gets more mitigation (via a shield) than a warrior. With a 2h weapon, he now has the same mitigation as a warrior, but less avoidance (while casting). He's supposed to be using this special 2h style while tanking, it gives him parry but does it make up for the loss of riposte? Warriors already have a lot more hps than knight classes, I thought the shield was a tradeoff, mitigation vs. hp. Yeah sure, this only affects them when they're casting. Given that when I'm grouped with Aratar I see him casting at least 50% of the time(probably more), I'd say it makes a rather substantial difference.