Claws of the furious storm

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MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: SECONDARY
Skill: 1H Slashing Atk Delay: 27
DMG: 17
Effect: Whispers of Hate (Combat)
DEX: +6 CHA: +7 WIS: +7 AGI: +11
SV FIRE: +15 SV COLD: +8 SV MAGIC: +3 WT: 1.0 Size: Small
Class: WAR RNG BRD ROG
Race: ALL

the issue i have with this is that every warrior i've talked to has said that hammer of the ancient visions is better aggro than this drop that's a SE aggro weapon. The delay is pretty slow, there's no HP and the aggro proc isn't that very strong. I'm fairly new to raiding in SoD but from what i can see on the wiki the only other aggro weapon around this tier is in DHK and it has whispers of hate too. For comparison here's the hammer that everyone and their brother has.

Hammer of the ancient visions
[LORE ITEM]
Slot: SECONDARY
Skill: 1H Blunt Atk Delay: 21
DMG: 13
AC: 10
Effect: Blinding Light(Combat)
STr: +5 CHA: +5 DEX: +5 AGI: +5 HP: +50
Recommended level of 45.
WT: Size:
Class: WAR RNG BRD
Race: ALL

The hammer has a very close ratio to the claws, 10 ac and 50 hp also. Just seems weird that is doppable and equippable at 40 would be a better weapon for a tank.

Edit: So i guess the request is a clarification on what role this weapon is meant to fill or to have it's aggro/stats looked into
 
The claws, to me seem more like a cmal level item. They remind me of the taskmaster claws

Currently Whispers of hate has a -100 resist Adjust where Hammer has -200 resist adjust.

Perhaps a paladin would know but Blinding light is a lot of hate Whispers of hate is 300 hate which is about the same as a slow.

The hammer being 21 delay is going to proc more considering it's faster. But also it has an edge considering the resist adjust. I know kaz didn't lose his hammer untill he got Wailfury which was a looong time.

I really think the Delay on the claw should be changed but I don't know i'm not a warrior =O
 
ryutakin said:
The hammer being 21 delay is going to proc more considering it's faster.
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This really can't be assumed because proc rates are specified on a weapon by weapon basis.
 
ryutakin said:
The claws, to me seem more like a cmal level item. They remind me of the taskmaster claws

Currently Whispers of hate has a -100 resist Adjust where Hammer has -200 resist adjust.

Perhaps a paladin would know but Blinding light is a lot of hate Whispers of hate is 300 hate which is about the same as a slow.

The hammer being 21 delay is going to proc more considering it's faster. But also it has an edge considering the resist adjust. I know kaz didn't lose his hammer untill he got Wailfury which was a looong time.

I really think the Delay on the claw should be changed but I don't know i'm not a warrior =O
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Whispers of Hate is Unresistable. :toot:
 
Good point about being unresistible; but -200 is pretty heavy already and it's a droppable. And the SE item still doesn't have HP on it which is pretty weird for a weapon of this zone (I admit I didnt raid there since dragon/giant faction was revamped, who does it drop from ?).
 
I agree that at least some of the stats should be shifted around so that theres HP on the claw.
 
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Whispers of Hate is Unresistable. :toot:
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Just paladin input, but blinding light is an extremely rarely resisted spell. It may just be my mad stats:)toot:), but I haven't seen that particular blind get resisted in longer than I can remember. In short, resistance isn't something I'd factor into this argument.

Also, blinds are mad agro. I'm not sure how much, but they're a lifesaver when stuns start to get resisted, which is saying something.
 
Blind gets resisted, the higher your tier scales, the higher is the chance of it being resisted.
 
was the Claw intended as a partial stepping stone to those higher tiers or intended as a more permenant item to be used in those tiers above 5-6?
With the lack of tanking stats, it'd only really be a situational aggro weapon I think.
 
With the adjustment to Spear of the Great Hunt, I am still wondering if this willl be adjusted?
 
not trying to thread necro, but is blind worth more than 300 aggro? is hammer of ancient visions actually better aggro than a SE aggro weapon?

i'm not trying to look like an idiot, i've just been told that the hammer is better aggro than whispers of hate pretty consistantly
 
I'm not sure how that is when Whispers of Hate is unresistable. The Claw might be lacking HPs, but it has a lot of resists and ultimately more stat points in general than the Hammer. It also has a slightly higher damage and delay ratio.
 
Claws are slower, so unless a higher proc rate would proc less.

Claws have no AC or HP, both major items for those who would want agro.

Resist rate on Hammer is pretty low, making the unresistable factor a little less major.


Simple fact is that the claws are not something anyone is going to choose by that point of the game.
 
ok, have played around with these more the past few days, on top of lower desirable stats compared to hammer, it seems to have a very low proc rate on top of the slow hits

would a dev mind looking in to the proc rate?
 
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