Charm of the Body

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Kirin Folken

Dalayan Elder
Looking throw threads and checking others gear out I have noticed no one has the Charm of body. Looking at it I can see why, as I see a number of issues with this charm making it a very unlikly pick for any character.

1. 443pp is alot of cash for a +25hp Recovery 1, very few classes will find this charm useful for its price (I honestly can't think of one). Prehaps a decrease in the amount of pp it cost would make this charm more favorable.

2. Recovery I, this in itself is fine its when you stack it up to other charms. If you look down the list of charms the upgrade to the Recovery charm is Recovery VI thats 6 times. Where as the Flowing Thought I charm upgrade is only Flowing Thought III. Granted Flowing Thought is much more potent so its understandable how it upgrades. But the Charm of Body prehaps should be Recovery II, this again would give it alittle more weight as a valid Charm pick. Making it Recovery II would also let it keep the x3 multplyer the Flowing Thought Charm has.

3. Connected to number 1, theres a gap in charms on the lower end, from 78pp you suddenly jump to 443 pp. This jump of 7x the last charm seems a bit out of balance with the rest of the pricing structure (which range from x2-x6). Having a 7x price jump on such a lower tier charm doesn't seem right. Prehaps Charm of the Body would be better placed about around 350 pp ball park and increase to Recovery II.

So in Summary.

Increase Recovery I to Recovery II
Decrease Cost of Charm of the Body to prehaps 350 pp
 
Tbh, charms are not really meant for low-end chars.

There are much better items you can put the money in to
 
iaeolan said:
Tbh, charms are not really meant for low-end chars.
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If charms are not meant for low end chars then why even bother having the first 8 charms?

These charms are totaly worthless to higher level toons.
Charm of Protection
Charm of Cunning
Charm of Battle
Charm of Vanity
Charm of the Body
Charm of the Mind

These 2 could be argue to be useful to high end toons, but dont realy offer much.
Charm of the Swordsman
Charm of the Brute
 
Kirin Folken said:
If charms are not meant for low end chars then why even bother having the first 8 charms?

These charms are totaly worthless to higher level toons.
Charm of Protection
Charm of Cunning
Charm of Battle
Charm of Vanity
Charm of the Body
Charm of the Mind

These 2 could be argue to be useful to high end toons, but dont realy offer much.
Charm of the Swordsman
Charm of the Brute
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They are placeholders for higher end charms

They are money sinks for a slot that only exists to be a money sink. Lowering the price is counterintuitive
 
iaeolan said:
They are placeholders for higher end charms

They are money sinks for a slot that only exists to be a money sink. Lowering the price is counterintuitive
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you missed the point.. If you have the money you would just buy any charm after 8 (since your higher end) Theres no point of a higher end toon to ever realy buy the first 8 charms. So they must be for lower level people or theres no point to them. So I still stand by my orginal statment, Charm of Body is out of wack compared to the rest of the charms in how they progress.
 
Charm of the Body at Recovery II sounds like a good idea. Leave the price alone though.
 
I'd be for that.. ether way.. Lower the price or increase the recovery.. or booth. Just something to make it more appealing so someone might buy the charm instead of it just being on the vendor for looks.
 
It has been bought before

I really don't see what is not appealing about it.

25hp and Recovery I on a slot that you would have 0hp and Recovery 0 on otherwise.

If you don't feel that it is worth the price for this PLAT SINK, do not buy it. Instead, buy something that gives a bigger upgrade for a different stat for the same price.
 
Just because some people are higher level doesn't mean its easy as pie to get one of the higher end charms. i know a guy that has been farming for quite a while for a tarhyl charm. There are a lot of 65 players that have not even seen 36k, much less be able to throw it all on a charm.
 
iaeolan said:
It has been bought before

I really don't see what is not appealing about it.

25hp and Recovery I on a slot that you would have 0hp and Recovery 0 on otherwise.

If you don't feel that it is worth the price for this PLAT SINK, do not buy it. Instead, buy something that gives a bigger upgrade for a different stat for the same price.
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Theres no need to CAP plat sink, everyone is well aware that charms are a intentional plant sink.

If price is what really has you bend out of shape, what about increase it to Recovery II ?

A Plat sink is useless unless the player base uses it, currently this charm is not used so its a useless plat sink.

Do you really feel +25 hps and Recovery I is worth more then the other charms?? (for a extra 80pp you can get Flowing Thought I) Who really benefits from a extra 1 tic reg?? (necro and Shaman are about the only ones that come to mind.. and thats a strech unless there stacking that +1 tic with other recovery items but at that point it would make more sense to get one of the bigger reg items out there then use this plat sink)
 
Ever think that someone who can't use FT might want this?

It's a great place holder, and I knew quite a few people who owned one.


If you really want to talk about unused charms, talk about charm of sight. Charm of Eagle Eye is probably the second least used after that
 
iaeolan said:
Ever think that someone who can't use FT might want this?

It's a great place holder, and I knew quite a few people who owned one.


If you really want to talk about unused charms, talk about charm of sight. Charm of Eagle Eye is probably the second least used after that
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Monks, Rogue, Warrior, Bard.... would be the only ones that come to mind.

Monks? well they would take the Charm of the Brute over this one.

Rogues? if we are looking only at the first 8 charms... I think I would still go with charm of battle over charm of body. ALOT cheaper and the Recovery I realy isn't gonig to do a thing for me (since if you get aggro with a rogue your in trouble +1 reg tic isn't going to save you).

Bard? Charm of Vanity over this one anyday.

Warrior? ....Ok maybe.. and thats a slim maybe, I still think charm of battle wins over it (again if we are only looking at the first 8)


Charm of Sight definitly has its own issues (very craptastic), though Charm of Eagle problem is where if falls on the charm list not nessarly in what it does. Far too expensive for what it does, considering Monks/Bst can pick up a +15 with +10 str charm for 100 times cheaper! Would be different if Charm of Eagle also had some stat boost and AC on it as well. Like Charm of the Guardian.. skill boost plus Very nice AC boost and some stats.
 
I, too, always thought the charm of the body was relatively weak compared to other charms. It has the recovery on it, but really, I never thought recovery I matched up to the others. It seems to be a mimic so-to-say of the FT charm, but FT is so much more powerful than recovery, relatively speaking.
 
Which is why when looking at the 36k charms you will find FT III against Recovery VI. Following that example, FT I on Mind and Recovery II on Body makes good sense.

No charm is a plat sink if few/no people buy it. Yes this applies to other charms as well but this thread was about Body.
 
i would say almost everyone has bought and then discarded either a ft1 charm or the recovery1 charm, so yeah, they do work as platsinks also. at least, i know i did on all my characters.
 
I won't buy it, not for that much plat.

Why? Because when I have that much plat, I can spend it to get much better upgrades than just 25 hp and Rec +1 on buying and replacing the gear I already am wearing. So I don't see much of the point at that price. Unless you are twinking I guess, then money can be of almost no object for a measly 400 plat for some people. But for me, it's a lot - and as described, not worth it (and a little :haw: ) =p
 
Sibro said:
I won't buy it, not for that much plat.

Why? Because when I have that much plat, I can spend it to get much better upgrades than just 25 hp and Rec +1 on buying and replacing the gear I already am wearing. So I don't see much of the point at that price. Unless you are twinking I guess, then money can be of almost no object for a measly 400 plat for some people. But for me, it's a lot - and as described, not worth it (and a little :haw: ) =p
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iaeolan said:
Tbh, charms are not really meant for low-end chars.

There are much better items you can put the money in to
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Levels are actually not the issue here, BTW. Charms have less to do with levels than with the fact they are a plat-sink. You pay money for an extra bunch of effects. It just so happens that low levels typically can't buy the big money charms and high levels don't buy the cheaper charms (because they can generally afford to get better ones than low levels can). But a low-level with enough money could get an expensive charm, and a high level might not think high end charms are worth it, and so buys a cheaper charm when he could afford a more expensive one.

It's simply a cost VS benefit thing for a plat-sink. And the feeling the OP has is that the cost VS benefit analysis for this one charm is out of whack compared to the other charms. If one charm is not balanced for utility VS plat compared to how the other charms are balanced, that would be something that could be looked at. Which is what the OP is trying to make happen with this one charm. And after considering charms in general and their costs VS benefits, I agree with him.

Kirin sez: "Charm of Body is out of wack compared to the rest of the charms in how they progress."
I sez: I agree
 
Sibro said:
Kirin sez: "Charm of Body is out of wack compared to the rest of the charms in how they progress."
I sez: I agree
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Deffinatly a complete waste of plat to buy the charm of the body over any other charm. Recovery I is practicly useless unless w/e melle class runs out of bandages, even then they probably have a healer close by. I could see it being replaced w/ a recov II w/o alll of Dalaya crumbling into anarchy
 
i personally thought this to be one of the worst charms... recov 1 wont even be noticable... and the 25hp is nothing to get giddy about... indeed improving it to recov 2 would be a nice improv.. i still dont know if id be willing to put down 400p for it.. i do believe necros would be ok with it.. as it would help counter the lich lines.
i still use the first caster and first melee charms on my chars. and i have had the ability to buy a 15k charm.... just better to go items first.. charms are for when ur raiding and dont need money to much=/
 
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