Changes to Donators

[Cathis]

If you could please explain with your obviously superior knowledge of WR how a 120-second Gate is such a tremendous boon, I'd love to hear it.

There is, and it has been said a few times throughtout this post.

 

[Kasreyn]

I've spent several hours in BB getting ears, and still not got my Necklace... and by donating i'm effectively buying a gate?

Sorry that just doesnt wash for me. that is a clear benefit. and a bind point can be other places than Newport.

There is already a port necklace to Stormkeep and Dragonhorn, both of which have a vendor, a bank, and access to quest mobs. Both are hubs for raiding guilds. These exists in the game already, and you don't have to donate to get them. They don't send you to bind, but mostly what someone in their lvl 30s does at their bind is: sell stuff, go to the bank, maybe look into some quests, maybe meet up with people. These port necklaces also take 30 seconds to cast. How does this stack up with the pocket plane dealie?

KAS

 

[Wiz]

If you could please explain with your obviously superior knowledge of WR how a 120-second Gate is such a tremendous boon, I'd love to hear it.

There is, and it has been said a few times throughtout this post.

Actually all you've said is "It's a great benefit because it's gate".

 

[Payens]

I'm not exaggerating, if you cant see that a gate is a huge benefit to non gating classes, than you've got to be stupid.

And the newport amulet is not that easy to get, and also inconviences lowbs in zones like BB.

I think you're way over valuing the benefit of the pocket zone pseudo-gate.

1. Clerics, Mages, Wizards, Enchanters, Shamen, Druids & Necros can already gate. This gives them *zero* benefit from the pocket zone other than having a place to just chill.

2. As was stated, there are multiple items in the game that melees can obtain to self-port to various locations. And don't claim the quests are hard because they aren't. Any quest that a group can do, let alone that can be solo'd, is a piece of cake. You want to talk difficult quests? Talk about epics.

3. Since there is *no* cost to the user to establish an account then there is nothing to stop anyone from registering a second one and leveling up a wizard bot to port your melee around. You can even run both characters from the same machine. So, if money is a commodity in shorter supply than time for you and being able to gate around is that important, you always have the free option of leveling up a wizard bot.

 

[Cathis]

Ahh but i am also paying, it may not be $25 but i still donate my $4, which is what i can afford, its not about jealously before you say it either.

I may be putting a hard face on the extent of the benefit, but where does it stop? what happens when you want more money for what ever, give people an ubber weap? perhaps an instant lvl 65? for now just $99!

And it is your server, and yes you are the 1 one says what it stands for, but i'm sure the community which you depend on to keep this server up, would like to see equal line on all things, if you want this plane thing, give it to everyone, or leave it out, dont sell it.

If people can donate, i'm sure they'll do it from the great job you guys have done, not from benefits.

I'm pretty much going to stop arguing with you now, beacuse it's very evident the only thing you are interested in is twisting around the truth to fit whatever agenda you're trying to postulate.

If you'd like to have a reasonable discussion, please stop distoring the truth, putting words in my mouth, lying about my intent and making wild accusations. It makes your attempt to sieze a moral high ground quite pitiful.

I'm not putting words in your mouth at all, all i'm trying to say, is that as i see it from your indicator, there is no need for more money, and existing donators will carry on donating aslong as you keep putting out the good stuff you have been, so why un-even the playing field. I dont doubt your an honorable person, and dont not take donating money, and i know you have coughed up alot for the server aswell, not to mention your time.

1) Injektilo is currently paying for half the server. This is not sustainable.

2) We need more money to get another server box with the server growth.

3) Yes, you were putting plenty of words in my mouth and taking the truth for a merry ride with the "this will lead to WR ebay" argument.

Well injektilo signed up, after your call for more donators, what makes you think if you do it again some more people may pitch in? I know exe has been wanting to. Atleast you could try to call for more, instead of putting in incentives, or at least hold them off, or change them to the sort of crap mr 'i'm ubber people' would probably like, like a middle name, or something similar, that doesnt actually change the games even play.

 

[Cathis]

I'm not exaggerating, if you cant see that a gate is a huge benefit to non gating classes, than you've got to be stupid.

And the newport amulet is not that easy to get, and also inconviences lowbs in zones like BB.

I think you're way over valuing the benefit of the pocket zone pseudo-gate.

1. Clerics, Mages, Wizards, Enchanters, Shamen, Druids & Necros can already gate. This gives them *zero* benefit from the pocket zone other than having a place to just chill.

2. As was stated, there are multiple items in the game that melees can obtain to self-port to various locations. And don't claim the quests are hard because they aren't. Any quest that a group can do, let alone that can be solo'd, is a piece of cake. You want to talk difficult quests? Talk about epics.

3. Since there is *no* cost to the user to establish an account then there is nothing to stop anyone from registering a second one and leveling up a wizard bot to port your melee around. You can even run both characters from the same machine. So, if money is a commodity in shorter supply than time for you and being able to gate around is that important, you always have the free option of leveling up a wizard bot.

Your missing the point though, its not so such the amount of benefit, which there still is the fact that you dont have to spend the time getting port necks, you dont have to level a wizard bot, you just pay.

 

[zodium]

This was up for debate, but given the exceedingly poor arguments against it (WR EBAY NOW!!!!), this thread is being locked. Carry on.

 

[Wiz]

I'm quite sure everything that should be said has been said.

I, the staff, and as far as I can tell most of the players do not feel there is anything wrong with providing harmless and convenient benefits to donators. Regardless of how Cathis would try to twist the truth this is not a case of ebay, and never will be. You'll never be able to spend money to get a suit of ornate draconic from the staff.

If you disagree, it is within your full right do so. Just remember that there are people paying more of their money, which = more of their time, so that you can play.

Thread locked. If you wish to continue to make arguments against this, make a new thread and phrase them in such a way that you can demonstrate donator benefits violate our current policy on this and wrbay is a reality -- "I think this is wrong" has already been said.