CC / Training
- Thread starter Raxton
- Start date
- Status
TapeinV
Dalayan Elder
On a server playing this game, staff showing favoritism to a player or guild would fit inside the definition of corruption.
Nwaij
Dalayan Pious Diety
Oh, you are going to start clearing sanctum? I wish you guys the best of luck with it!
/GM hat on: Stop the personal attacks in this thread, NOW.
/GM hat off.
TapeinV
Dalayan Elder
I was mega upset. I do not like to contest content against people I did/still consider friends. I do not like being trained, attempted to be guilt tripped, have mobs I engaged first screwed with, griefed, and various other things. We were over half way cleared to CC and there were 5 people online in Chaotic Winds. You say we should have just let it go but if we let it go every single time we would never kill the mob. From your point of view we were trying to leapfrog you. We were waiting patiently to see if you guys would kill golems. The comment that provoked me in vent was basically me saying I do not appreciate being trained and it being followed up with of course we would train you, you were trying to leapfrog us. So you would just blatantly break the rules and not care? I know what people feel like the rules should be and what the rules actually are, are two different things. I do not know whether we got trained on purpose or not, whether Raxton was on his character or not. However, it seems pretty convenient. The only reason we even had a chance to try was a rogue escaping. Whether or not the train was on purpose or not I feel like this is reinforcing this kind of behaviour. We pretty much had CC dead, and then they screwed with our fight. Even if there was an issue with claim or something, they shouldn't have done that. Our loot could have been revoked later. Instead they screwed with it, got no punishment, and got the mob. So why don't I just two box Tarma and Wealwawn every time is doing CC and just get on the hate list and heal the heck out of myself? This is not about who should have had the mob or not, this is about the dubious nature of the actions that took place versus the actions that were taken by staff. No amount of "poor design" should allow reinforcement of behavior like that. If I were to do that any other time than last night I would be jailed quickly. Why should this be an exception?
Otcho
Dalayan Pious Diety
Vitali
Dalayan Master
I feel like there should be another change to CC claim.
Something like, whoever engages Golems get the CC claim for X amount of minutes or something. I know this comment will just look like "Oh those CW guys, just trying to help themselves here." but it's not. I really dont like "racing" against friends for claim on a mob like this. What little goodness SoD has gets ripped to pieces by things like this.
Also, before some snide comment is directed my way, I camped and left the encounter apologizing to people before so. I didn't care how the claim went, I just didn't want any part of this shit storm brewing.
Eitherway, something like a script written to port people out of the golem area after 15-20min of sitting there (regardless of fighting the Pheonix Masters and Adepts or not) and group who engages Golems first gets claim. This would force people to start the race to claim from Entrance (or more realistically, from wherever the script doesn't port you back to ent from. So around where the Ice and Flame talon masters spawn) and once the golems are engaged then there isnt stuff like turning in rings from one group to de-pop golems and getting claim, or rushing CC after golems are down to get claim.
Something like, whoever engages Golems get the CC claim for X amount of minutes or something. I know this comment will just look like "Oh those CW guys, just trying to help themselves here." but it's not. I really dont like "racing" against friends for claim on a mob like this. What little goodness SoD has gets ripped to pieces by things like this.
Also, before some snide comment is directed my way, I camped and left the encounter apologizing to people before so. I didn't care how the claim went, I just didn't want any part of this shit storm brewing.
Eitherway, something like a script written to port people out of the golem area after 15-20min of sitting there (regardless of fighting the Pheonix Masters and Adepts or not) and group who engages Golems first gets claim. This would force people to start the race to claim from Entrance (or more realistically, from wherever the script doesn't port you back to ent from. So around where the Ice and Flame talon masters spawn) and once the golems are engaged then there isnt stuff like turning in rings from one group to de-pop golems and getting claim, or rushing CC after golems are down to get claim.
I do remember clearly that the claim for CC was to get to the golems first and on the agro list first. I remember this because a long time ago i was in a CW group versus a group of FWF members. I believe we came back right after a crash or somesuch that made it so we didn't know who got claim first. We petitioned and waited patiently, and slaar pops up to help us. after a couple of minutes of discussion, he says claim is still open. so we sit there for about 10 seconds then one of the fwf members smacks a golem and POOF they have claim. We congradulate them and promptly leave.
It might have been an exo group, iono, but it doesnt really matter. It was a fair decision made on fair terms.
And that's the story of why I remember golems are the claim to CC. Of course, I don't think it's ever been actually clearly stated, which is why this situation has come up.
It might have been an exo group, iono, but it doesnt really matter. It was a fair decision made on fair terms.
And that's the story of why I remember golems are the claim to CC. Of course, I don't think it's ever been actually clearly stated, which is why this situation has come up.
I think the claim between us was very close but we were just a tiny bit closer than you guys. We engaged the golems with a full group before you arrived. Yes, I agree its kind of lame that we had people camped at the golems. Not like that's new in SoD...
I was annoyed that you guys chose to come race it, though. I guess we set our expectations too high b/c you had people we thought were friends with you. We inappropriately expected the dev with you to back out if he knew we were there first. So I sent a tell to Torleran from Shaltang while we had 6ppl there and were seconds from engaging. Tell was ignored and we engaged.
We failed at handing in the seals twice after continuous fighting. Consider that we engaged the golems before you with 6 people, who were not as you say, an incaple force. Were just bad at giving items to npcs. After they reset a 2nd time we dropped out of combat and were medding. This is just as you guys pulled the pheonix mobs from outside in to us and they started aoeing us. You prevented about 4mins of medding which would have been enough for a re-engage, then we all engaged and our characters (obv after all that practice..) handed in the seals to the golems. We had to prove it with screenshots.. I guess the logs werent sufficient...
Anyway, I honestly wanted to just roll you guys, even though we were in fact just a tiny bit closer. I did say so.
I don't get the whole "CW killed my family and ruined my world" theme. I've never seen Tapein in game. I can't remember the last time I saw Drehar. Maybe we walked by each other in Athica once. Hard to take your dramatic posts about us.. I think most CW would agree. We don't really know who you are but you hate us so much. Anyway, just wondering if you mind chilling out a little bit??
I was annoyed that you guys chose to come race it, though. I guess we set our expectations too high b/c you had people we thought were friends with you. We inappropriately expected the dev with you to back out if he knew we were there first. So I sent a tell to Torleran from Shaltang while we had 6ppl there and were seconds from engaging. Tell was ignored and we engaged.
We failed at handing in the seals twice after continuous fighting. Consider that we engaged the golems before you with 6 people, who were not as you say, an incaple force. Were just bad at giving items to npcs. After they reset a 2nd time we dropped out of combat and were medding. This is just as you guys pulled the pheonix mobs from outside in to us and they started aoeing us. You prevented about 4mins of medding which would have been enough for a re-engage, then we all engaged and our characters (obv after all that practice..) handed in the seals to the golems. We had to prove it with screenshots.. I guess the logs werent sufficient...
Anyway, I honestly wanted to just roll you guys, even though we were in fact just a tiny bit closer. I did say so.
I don't get the whole "CW killed my family and ruined my world" theme. I've never seen Tapein in game. I can't remember the last time I saw Drehar. Maybe we walked by each other in Athica once. Hard to take your dramatic posts about us.. I think most CW would agree. We don't really know who you are but you hate us so much. Anyway, just wondering if you mind chilling out a little bit??
Last edited:
Obscenitor
Dalayan Elder
CW is 100% white trash and has been ever since they absorbed Sanctuary.
With all of that being said there are literally 100 people playing this game right now and I find it hilarious that people are still getting worked up about it.
With all of that being said there are literally 100 people playing this game right now and I find it hilarious that people are still getting worked up about it.
ynnear
Dalayan Elder
lets just move on
talking shit on the internet makes you classy.
edit: I mean what about all the people who aren't even white.. to be fair, you have to come up with something mean to say about them
Last edited:
cian2
Dalayan Master
casual christian family guild
CW (and probably other) will keep doing this because there's no deterrent. sure, you end up with threads like this but who cares about their image on the forums? they get the boss. there's not and never has been a concrete claim rule for CC. 2 years ago or whatever when i was in PR and we used to compete with FWF for it, it went to the first 2 people who zoned in to citadel. so yeah, people would leave 2 chars sitting at the citadel zone in for hours when it was due.
then somewhere along the line it became engaging the golems. I have no idea why and it makes absolutely zero sense, the golems have nothing to do with CC and can even be killed with 18 people. They are just a glorified door, and having them be the claim just promotes dickbag behavior like running through the zone to suicide engage them
I cant think of an easy way to fix it without removing the golems, but they are a pretty neat encounter. Best situation would be like forest gloom, although hilarious, never leaves a shadow of a doubt. I remember exo and CW would sit at the pillar for hours waiting for gloom to spawn and see who the SoD script gods decide to port up to the boss. Me and lleoc even went out there for fun one time after both guilds had been there for like 4 hours, and we got ported up for the claim after like 10 minutes. The only downside was then we had to kill gloom.
I like the slaariel method in this case. If you guys cant play like adults, just depop the mob, and I bet you guys will find a way to work it out amongst yourselves eventually.
CW (and probably other) will keep doing this because there's no deterrent. sure, you end up with threads like this but who cares about their image on the forums? they get the boss. there's not and never has been a concrete claim rule for CC. 2 years ago or whatever when i was in PR and we used to compete with FWF for it, it went to the first 2 people who zoned in to citadel. so yeah, people would leave 2 chars sitting at the citadel zone in for hours when it was due.
then somewhere along the line it became engaging the golems. I have no idea why and it makes absolutely zero sense, the golems have nothing to do with CC and can even be killed with 18 people. They are just a glorified door, and having them be the claim just promotes dickbag behavior like running through the zone to suicide engage them
I cant think of an easy way to fix it without removing the golems, but they are a pretty neat encounter. Best situation would be like forest gloom, although hilarious, never leaves a shadow of a doubt. I remember exo and CW would sit at the pillar for hours waiting for gloom to spawn and see who the SoD script gods decide to port up to the boss. Me and lleoc even went out there for fun one time after both guilds had been there for like 4 hours, and we got ported up for the claim after like 10 minutes. The only downside was then we had to kill gloom.
I like the slaariel method in this case. If you guys cant play like adults, just depop the mob, and I bet you guys will find a way to work it out amongst yourselves eventually.
What do people think about like an auction to the highest bidder-type deal? Governments and businesses like to use this type of thing a lot.
Emerica
Dalayan Elder
There are so many ways to make something like this work, the problem is everyone wants things for larger than life peen. I always thought it was weird the high end guilds dont like work something out so theres a rotation and less time wasting on things, but I speak for myself and no one else when I say that.
Last edited:
1. Admins have clearly stated that they will delete all content if we do rotations like that.
2. What happens when one more guild reaches that mob/content? Are they just to be let in or be forever out of luck?
3. what if 6 ppl from different guilds want to do stuff together? Ban them for not respecting the guild rotation order?
No not rotations...
The problem is that despite server numbers at an all time low, there are far too many people chasing far too few desirable mobs.
The chosen method of allocating these scarce resources is competition. Inevitably though competition equals conflict. I can only see this problem getting worse.
However, stating the problem is the easy part. Coming up with a sensible solution is a totally different kettle of fish.
The chosen method of allocating these scarce resources is competition. Inevitably though competition equals conflict. I can only see this problem getting worse.
However, stating the problem is the easy part. Coming up with a sensible solution is a totally different kettle of fish.
Last edited:
- Status