Casino's.. I know /sigh

Hostyle

Dalayan Beginner
Shurley-
I've been trying to run a player built casino and let me tell yas everyone freaks out. I know they may have good reason and what not but i'm saving up for a charm, i have around 18k. Basicly where i'm going with this is I'm curious if there might be any plans in the future for a NPC controlled casino, in which case would prevent ppl bitching at me. Something with decent odds maybe? IDK just a thought. much <3
 
I have absolutely no idea how you could implement it, but it would be really cool.

Hell, I'd love a sort of festival GM event maybe that could have GMs having casino-esque stuff. Maybe a lottery of sorts (generate 500 unique tickets that sell for 5pp each for a raffle).

Fireworks, music, free buffs, gambling, an item auction ala the bazaar this is something I could get behind. Very fun.
 
Yes, there's plans for something like this.

I never got the hate for PC casinos other than if they spam wildly.
 
Wiz said:
Yes, there's plans for something like this.

I never got the hate for PC casinos other than if they spam wildly.

I'm of the same opinion, as far as I'm concerned: buyer beware.

KAS
 
Given that i had never been around FOR the player casino's in Live I'd like to know why everyone goes apeshit if you mention one.
 
If I recall on the Luclin server on Live, I think I was around until GoD came out, or thereabouts...There were huge scams going on with PC casinos. Alot of folks would take your cash and /exit out quick, not to mention the spamming in /ooc was just obnoxious, most used /shout which was even worse. I dunno, some were legit, but most were some sort of scam, not sure how exactly, but there was always someone crying they got ripped off, etc. Needless to say, PC casinos were more of a nuissance in game than anything else, I avoided them and often turned off /occ in some zones so I didn't have to deal with their spam. I *shudder* at the thought of them on SoD, they just seem to cause more trouble than they are worth. GM run casinos, on the other hand, sound like lots of fun.
 
Well why not handle it like you do shopkeepers. Have a PC rent out npc's to act as staff then at the end of every oh...lets say week they get whatever profit is made, or have to pay up if thigns go in the red. Easy to get out of scams and keep people from trying to cheat the system by claiming nonexistaint scams.
 
A lot of them were credible... i played a few and won a fair amount.
The main discontent was the spam, being ooc and auc are serverwide, gets on everyones nerves when a casino is open all the time.

Its a legit business imo, scamming is a bit hard because lvl 1s don't get business, and people w/ any credit and reputation to lose dont scam.
 
I briefly chatted with Shurley about his venture and was surprised he got largely negative responses. It's funny enough I was in the process of eventually doing Darlene's Charm Raffle(plug :lol:) since the only paid entrant returned and inquiried as to the result. I don't recall having any unfavorable comments from players since I did my ooc over periods of 1hr or more. Having GM okaying it and to present at the drawing are pluses too.

Darian's sugguestion is viable such as the Soltice Festival 3 cards gambling gypsy. The question is to add more npcs and lag the zone or make it an added feature on current vendors of zones and change their title color to reflect such?
 
The most thing I hated about PC run casino's were as most have said already, the incessant /ooc and /shout spamming. Which was easy enough to get rid of by placing the casino runner on ignore. But soon your ignore file was full and you couldn't put any more in.

Secondly was the hellishly ridiculous amount of **Player rolls a magical die and the result is 99** spam. And there was no way to get rid of this spam, anything short of creating a new chat window and filtering it to it and then shrinking and transparenting it out of view.
 
purefyre said:
Darian's sugguestion is viable such as the Soltice Festival 3 cards gambling gypsy. The question is to add more npcs and lag the zone or make it an added feature on current vendors of zones and change their title color to reflect such?
The gambling NPCs wouldnt have to be in the same areas as PC vendors. They would just need to be placed where a bank is easily accessable. I am also not sure I would like the idea of PC vendors serving dually as gambling NPCs since there are so many it would possibly lessen the impact. Also, how would PC ran casino "bots" award prizes? Would they be indiviually player funded?

When the casinos were introduced on live, it was not to make people rich, although there were some nifty prizes available, but to get rid of alot of the plat that so many people had. I had a guildy from there that spent roughly 700k trying to get one of the old-school DE masks for his mage(dont think he ever got it).
 
I just don't want casino ads filling up the ooc and auction channels. Eventually everyone will start doing it and /ooc and /auc will be nothing but casino spam from different people. /ignore fills up at 20 names so thats not really an option.

You gotta stop it now or I assure you it will get out of hand.
 
Shurley was doing this again today in /AUCTION and again it caused a ruccus.

Wiz can correct me on this but he did not say ANYWHERE that you were free to OOC casinos.. He said he had thought about implementing some kind of NPC casinos.

If you want to shout casinos in your zone thats one thing but spamming the ENTIRE SERVER in /auction or OOC is rediculous. If you can do it so can the next person and all the sudden we have 15 people who "arent spamming" in OOC advertising their "non spamming" casinos and flooding OOC / Auction chat.

If it's ok for 1 it's ok for all. You can defend your self all day that you arent "spamming" but if 15 people all "arent spamming" that makes one hell of a mess in chat and quadruples the lag on the server due to flooding out text messages..

2 thumbs down.

Ghaks.
 
On the live servers it was so bad the casinos would spam constantly one after the other each one trying to out do the next. Then the constant rolls would fly by filling up the screen. Once one gets in the door watch out its going to snowball into one big mess....my 2cp worth.
 
shurley -
Would love for someone to show me where I even began to remotely spam. Plus I use /auc.... so, your arguement is bogus.
 
shurley -
BTW I also got a tell from darlene thanking me for not spamming like all the noobs do in /auc... Ya i agree 15 ppl saying stuff in auction is kind of a spam. But here is the thing, there is 1 chat channel selling/offering things on this server of 300ish. Thus, I'd say 15 ppl in /auc is very decent considering what could be. Also my 1 auction every 5mins isn't spam. If your that sensitive on the subject turn off ooc, auc, shout, even group, guild and maybe hits/misses becuase ur gunna be spammed 100x more then what I could possibly dish out.
 
The spam that fills up my chat window every 5ish minutes when Shurley auctions about her casino isn't from her, it's from the malicous group of people that flame her with undo attacks. People should feel ashamed at blatently telling a lie such as, "you will be banned for your casino." This is a shocking bunch of responses.
 
I agree the banning part was over the top no way should this be a banning ofense but it should be restristed to a single channel in a single zone so that the rest of the server is not inindated with it. If people wish to participate they can travel to that zone and random to thier hearts content...
 
All I know is, I got cursed out in /tells by Shurley. I wasn't impolite either. /shrug I just asked her to stop, and she curses me.

Whatever.
 
I think Shurley's casino is a great idea. It gives people a chance to make money, lose money, and overall have some fun outside of the regular raid/grind. How many times have you been close (like 1k) away from an item you really wanted, but didnt feel like going out to farm. You could just bet 1k (assuming the item is significantly more than 1k) and in that instant you could be able to go get whatever you wanted right then. And if you lost... well you were going to have to go farm anyways. And to be honest, the odds that Shurley was doing arent bad at all. I was in Snewport last night and I'd say roughly 75% of the people were winning. I talked to Shurley and he was actually down like 5k, so its not like no matter what you will lose your money to gambling. This is my response to casinos being bad as a whole.

In regards to the "massive OMG spam" that is generated by casinos (namely, Shurley, at the moment): isnt /auc used for selling ones goods/services/etc serverwide? And doesnt this casino bit fall into that category? Why is it so much spam and a nuisance for one player to have a few lines of text advertising his casino every 5 minutes, when 10+ other players are advertising a few lines of item links / ports / etc every 5 minutes or less? How, in any way, are these two scenarios different? Someone explain to me because at the moment, I see nothing distinguising casino's as any more disruptive than the other /auc chatter. As for the constant /rand spam, I agree that this would be annoying even in a zone like SNewport. However, I think Shurley has the right idea with limiting the bets to a minimum of 400 pp. Most of the spam generated last night was caused by a lower level character that was betting 20pp and kept "letting it ride", they got a ton of rolls because their bets were simply trivial. I think Shurley just wanted to give others a little peice of fun or was bored or whatever reason to let a bet under 400 slide, but I'm sure if it was a big enough deal he'd stick to this rule a little more. With such a (relatively) high minimum bet, you're not going to have people constantly rolling: most likely its going to be a one or two time deal with a higher stake, thus in my opinion just applying this rule would be a suitable solution to /rand spam.

If you do decide to oppose my post (which is very much welcomed and appreciated, seriously), please do so in a manner in which you have a point and clearly show how that point is relevant to this discussion. Stuff like "no thats wrong" or unmerited "evidence" gets us nowhere and in general just gives me a headache. Thanks for your concern.

Regards,
Aeran
 
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