Buff timers / 24 hour wal-marts

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Dalayan Beginner
was thinking about things i missed from eqlive came up with buff timers
you could hold your mouse over the buff and it would show the remaining time on that buff. it was very handy to have.


24Hour wal-mart ... :D seams like everytime i log on im unable to do tradeskills maybe have a spot thats 24 hours. not sure if this is in game alrdy.
 
First of all...buff timers would be amazing. Especially since a TON of my time goes toward buffing.

As for your situation with...I guess, component merchants? The time cycle has already been altered so that not only is night shorter, but the day/night cycle is ofset from RL time in a way that makes it so you dont always log in at the same lunar cycle every time. I think you could search for the explanatory thread if you needed to.
 
DAOC had a cool buff feature, letting you see other players buffs in group menu. But yea, buff timers would be cool. please please please.
 
Buff timers, if added to EQ Live at some point, would require a newer (or modified) client. Wiz, if I recall, has hinted that we might move to a slightly newer client at some point, but given the list of dev to-do items, you might grow old waiting.

The DAoC-like group buff area could easily be "allowed for" by editing up your own XML files for it. The problem is the data has to come from somewhere. Server could be modified to send the data...and the client wouldn't recognize it. Again, client-based bottleneck. Ain't gonna happen.

I am not trying to dowse your excitement or ideas, just trying to set your expectations realistically. For now, we need to work with what the client allows us and concentrate on server-side changes, when it comes to offering ideas to the devs.

Oh, and for what it's worth, DAoC has a *much* better client in nearly every facet. Those group buff indicators were *hot*. And seeing the group's mana was very useful. About the only thing EQ has on DAoC UI-wise is the extensibility via XML. DAoC didn't much *need* to be extended =) Someday...
 
Buff timers have been in Live for a while. Also, with the propper group/raid leader AAs, you can see what buffs a group member has.

One thing I miss is the HoTT(Health of Target's Target) group/raid leader AA.
 
Yeah, they may have been in for a while. But our client is, what...December 2003 vintage? You may have noticed that not one whit of the cool features you just mentioned are in our client (raid/group AA's, leader stuff, etc). Heck I'd be happy to get our raid window working *hint* =)

If you read this Wiz, would you mind giving us the vaguest glimpse of your plans for the WR client version? Is it something you *might* do someday? Is it to the level of "Yes, we will do it, but I have no idea when, because I want to finish X, Y, and Z first"? Silence is an answer, too, I understand. Just curious.
 
as for buff timers, i just buff myself then buff the group. but i suppose that doesnt help for group buffs. i always stagger mine by a min or 2 also, so i dont have all the buffs dropping at once off everyone.

that health of targets target would be sweet tho, i totally had forgotten about that feature, but it was one i always thought really was nice for a healer.
 
It would be nice having buff timers.

I remember back in the day on Live -well before buff timers- there was this chanter proudly posting how he used three stopwatches sitting on his desk all the time for buffs/debuffs. He was saying that timing spells isn't hard, any serious chanter should be doing like him!

That's an extreme case, but timing buffs is just a chore, not a skill, and definitely not something requiring ability. Timing that manually like that dude is like work, not something I would want in my gaming experience.

I end up overwriting buffs a lot, but it impacts my downtime because overwriting an existing buff wastes mana.
 
i thought buffing was common sence myself, but if the shaman ive met in the past are a good cross section, very many dont know what they are doing

is it a skill? maybe not, that doesnt mean everyone does it correctly either

how freaking hard is it to stagger each one a few min, and buff yourself 1st as a timer?

seems like common sence to me
 
...Except that I found most shaman buffs to be rather slow casting. Also for group buffs you need the puller to be in range. For best efficiency, I rather do as many buffs as I can at once, since many buffs share the same timer.

So, if I know that there is 2 minutes left on group SOW I will ask the puller to stop after next pull to rebuff.

While combat is going on, I do not buff. I keep combat spells memmed when I am fighting: I rather be nuking, healing, medding, canning, debuffing, dispelling or even meleeing in a fight, rather than buff.

The game forces downtime, and when the cleric says "I am low on mana hold on!", THEN it's the perfect buff time.

My original toon was a chanter, and when I have a few frogs mezzed and one charmed I would rather not see "HASTE PLZ" and "CRACK PLZ" on my chat screen. I always told my groups when haste drops, I will renew before the next pull.

I will buff myself to time with resists and such to keep track of time, but t I am not going to waste mana on Haste on myself, I am not going to melee, but that mana could buy me a mez.

Once again, it's not rocket science, but it does not need to be a pain either.
 
the reason to stagger them is to constantly keep things moving.

if i get caught busy in a battle and a buff starts fading, id rather one drop than all of them at once. that will get your tank killed. not to mention, i never have to stop, and the group doesnt either

i buff myself, then group mates, tank last. why you ask?

well if things are hectic, i have the time it took to cast the rest of the groups buff before it fades off the tank

that being said we obviously have diff styles, and ill not knock on yours, providing you do the same, cuz honestly, i find spending 10 min to stand and buff a waste of time, when i can do it as i go.

i never sacrafice a slot for a buff :p it only takes one slot when you stagger

i played a shaman for 5 years, i was main shaman for my guild, and i never had any complaints
 
I wouldn't criticize your style, because there's more than a way to do things effectively :hug:
 
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