Beastlord pets vs other pets

mechkl

mechkl

Dalayan Elder
Why is is that a druid murk pet can come anywhere close to a baestlord runic 2 pet in terms of dps, especially when the beastlord has tomes like empathic warder and frenzied companion done? Espically when mage pets are putting out insanely higher dps then beastlord pets.

what i see is
beastlord runic 2: doing around 250 dps on raid fights.
Mage runic 2: doing around 350
druid murk: doing 250ish dps

i guess my question is why are the pet upgrades from relic to runic and 63 to runic so marginal dps wise.... runic 2 pets are only a 25ish dps increase anyhow... and since beastlords are already lower dps then a mage himself can put out why should the pets also have such a large gap... i know mage pets get some of thier dps from spell casting but beastlord pets dont get that... maybe giving beastlord pets some kind of melee equivalent to the magic damage that mage pets are gitting... like a driving strike type attack on a cd...
 
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runic 2 pets were nerfed pretty heavily about a year ago. bst r2 used to do around 450-550ish, then it had its damage and hp cut in half. so apparently it was an intentional change. making them less reliant on their pet for dps makes them easier to balance imo. it would be cool if pets were a bigger part of their kit, but that's not the case anymore. the question you should be asking yourself is if bsts are a balanced class right now, taking all factors into consideration. if your answer is realistic, then you would have to accept that beastlords would have to be nerfed themselves if the pet were to be made stronger.
 
honestly no i dont think they are balanced right now... and niether do the devs with the look of recent stance change suggestions... i think that 30k hp was a little over the top... such a negligible dps upgrade, other then mage getting bigger and beastlord changing color (which isnt even the case anymore) almost not worth getting which is what was said when these nerfs went out.
 
Also you should not compare the beast runic 2 to the Mage runic 2. Beasts go from lvl 63 pet to runic where the mages get the relic in between if anything you should be comparing the runic beast to the relic Mage.
 
No, if your going to compare fairly then beast 63 to beast runic2 deserves compared versus mage 63 to mage runic2.
 
Raxton said:
No, if your going to compare fairly then beast 63 to beast runic2 deserves compared versus mage 63 to mage runic2.
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No I completely disagree the beast runic is 1 step above the 63 spell just like the mage relic is 1 step above thie 63 spell.
 
No Shim, beast runic1 is a swarm pet, so it is not a step up from his 63 pet, it is something completely different from a standard pet summons.
 
Well, then I can understand your comparison, but I think it is the wrong way to approach it. The difficulty to gain the r2 is much greater than getting a relic. For the time dollars spent on it, I think it is an honest expectation that it would be better than that.
 
I am not totally in disagreement with you, but under that logic the Mage runic pet should be buffed as well as it is only marginally better than the relic after the modifications.
 
cian2 said:
runic 2 pets were nerfed pretty heavily about a year ago. bst r2 used to do around 450-550ish, then it had its damage and hp cut in half. so apparently it was an intentional change. making them less reliant on their pet for dps makes them easier to balance imo. it would be cool if pets were a bigger part of their kit, but that's not the case anymore. the question you should be asking yourself is if bsts are a balanced class right now, taking all factors into consideration. if your answer is realistic, then you would have to accept that beastlords would have to be nerfed themselves if the pet were to be made stronger.
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I think people should read this a couple times before posting.

The real question here should be are beastlords a valid and balanced class. If you ask me they are from the numbers I have seen. Sure they are not top tier dps but I don't think they should be because they add so much to the raid through their two buffs, Savagery && Cunning.

Correct me if I am wrong but the argument seem to be: Mage and Beastlord pets should be similar because they are both gained at the same time and acquire the same amount of work. this seem to be a general theme in many posts about pets.

I just want to stress that each class is different and that is a good thing. I feel that diversity makes the game more interesting. Mage pet shouldn't be just a beastlord pet that looks like a fire elemental; and the same can be said in reverse.

I also want to say that your original argument is quite lacking. Just to point out that every class is different and not every pet should have the same dps: Rangers also get a pet as their Runic 2 spell, it does about 15 dps on a good day.Clearly a ranger asking for their pet to do the same dps as a mage pet just because "they are both runic 2 pets" is absurd. I feel the same way when I read beast lords trying to use the same logic to get their pets buffed.

I'm not saying that beast lord pets don't need help, I really truly have no clue. I am however saying, if you want to get them "fixed" you're going about it all wrong.
 
Both runic beastlord pet and runic mage pet could stand to be stronger. They were nerfed really hard from their original iteration. Even if that was too good, what they got turned into is definitely on the side of too weak.

The mage pet can still be better than the bst pet if there's a balance issue with overall beastlord power.
 
SOme of the biggest strength about the Mage pets come from tomes and clickies. That is where a good bit of their strength comes from. Between gruplock rods, sovereign, frenzied burnout, attack proc clicky, etc and pet tomes is where a good bit of pet dps comes from. I would like to see more ranks of the pet tomes available to increase resists/Dmg/ac for all pet classes.

I think if you put a beast lord pet vs Mage pet toe to toe no heals no buffs just straight up attacking you would be surprised on how close they are. Plus beast lords get pet stances that can help the pet/pet owner.
 
Moraelintz said:
SOme of the biggest strength about the Mage pets come from tomes and clickies. That is where a good bit of their strength comes from. Between gruplock rods, sovereign, frenzied burnout, attack proc clicky, etc and pet tomes is where a good bit of pet dps comes from. I would like to see more ranks of the pet tomes available to increase resists/Dmg/ac for all pet classes.

I think if you put a beast lord pet vs Mage pet toe to toe no heals no buffs just straight up attacking you would be surprised on how close they are. Plus beast lords get pet stances that can help the pet/pet owner.
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mage pet wins hands down every time by a large margin.... i do this all the time...


also shimone find a equal geared/exped mage adn beastlord with relic mage pet and 63 beastlord pet... beastlords got a relic strength pet at 63.... so your argument is invalid.... playing these 2 classes i often have the pets fight just to see who would win... and only when soothing had a stupid high proc rate did derp ever even come close...
 
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And you missed my point I said completely unbuffed no haste no pet elemental form no proc buffs no equipment no weapons etc. if you take a pure baseline depending on which base runic form (not Mage in an elemental form) the pets are not that far off.

Also, read Kedrin and Eisley post and respond please.
 
log on one of the 4 other beastlords ur teir shimone and have the pets go one of one, the mage pet will always win.. they hit hard plain and simple... although it appears beaslords do mitigate better, also mage pets even the fire one has more hp...

i ignored kedrins post cause i answer it already... if cunning and savagery blance the beastlord tell me why then bards get a spell that increases spell damage and gives over haste to 18 people at 13% each and beastlords can do 7 people max for 20%? do the math bard brings more pure spell damage. Now you could retort with something about how -10 agression is far better then over haste but that apples and oranges and both are situational, so that leaves the 3 people ur running savagery to give you that edge where ur spot couldnt be better filled by a second or third ranger or wizard since ur already only putting out dps of a bard at the same tier? sounds balanced to me. This is why i dont listen to rangers talk about balancing classes.

already responded yo eisley.
 
I will try that, also you have to factor in survibebility of the beast lord itself. Furthermore I do not understand why people compare to bards like they are bad dps. In my opinion anything around 1k sustained dependable dps is very solid, they can't quick burn like wizards or big numbers like rogues but they are still solid.
 
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