Bards

[Verzen]

Just curious.... Back in everquest I was able to kite 30 mobs... at once... can a skilled bard do that in RW or whats different about them?

 

[diolas]

Well, I know bards can 'run' from 30 mobs pretty quickly...

 

[Julon]

I've only done 10 at a time, but I don't see why you couldn't do 30ish. Of course, I'm only really doing damage to one at a time, but as Homarg said I really do run them around. Since there aren't any ae long range songs, it would make it more trouble than it's worth.

 

[Duma]

This isn't live so don't come on here expecting to mimic or get away with anything you might have on live. If it's cheesey or lame tactics, swarm kiting, ae groups, multiroot ae soloing, snare/aggro kiting, etc it has been "fixed" here.


And yeah, this isn't live. The server lives on it's own merits and isn't ballanced vs. live. It's ballanced vs. itself.

 

[Methylene]

I don't play a bard on WR, but I played one for a while on Live, and here's what I can tell you...

In general, mobs run faster on WR than on Live, which would probably make AE kiting more difficult (if not impossible). I don't know where you liked to kite, but all the spots where my bard liked to kite on Live are either not on WR (I did a lot of kiting in Lake of Ill Omen and Dreadlands) or the mobs are totally different (I used to kite Tesch Mas gnolls in SK, but now that area of SK is populated by centaurs).

Charmed mobs regain all their HP when charm breaks, which rules out swarm kiting.

I hope that answers your question.

 

[Foma]

You can easily kite 40+ mobs on WR. No brainer there, so can anyone with SoW or maybe even run 3, no lag and a lot of luck

Bard AE isn't effective here, since the AE range is 35ish feet without AAs, and it's PBAE. Mobs arms, tentacles and other appendages are longer than that....somehow.

 

[Anadin]

blah.

at level 45 I was kiting without snare, using only sow which is a hell of alot slower than bard speed.

The only thing different from live regarding swarm kiting is the limited range of AoEs. because bards killing an entire zone at once, no matter how risky, is laughably unbalanced.

 

[Methylene]

blah.

at level 45 I was kiting without snare, using only sow which is a hell of alot slower than bard speed.

The only thing different from live regarding swarm kiting is the limited range of AoEs. because bards killing an entire zone at once, no matter how risky, is laughably unbalanced.

Swarm kiting doesn't use AEs.

Swarm kiting is where the bard charms one mob, and then runs around agroing a bunch of other social mobs (without damaging them). The charmed pet attacks the "swarm," grabbing agro, which lets the bard hang back while the pet gets beaten up. When the charmed pet is almost dead, the bard breaks charm using an instant invis clicky item, and then kites the ex-pet's remaining 10% HP off using DoTs. Then he charms another mob, which grabs agro on the swarm...

Rinse, lather, repeat.

You can't do that here because pets regain full HP when charm is broken.

Edit:

Unless I'm mistaken, the bard PBAE range is the same here as on Live. I don't know for sure because camongrel doesn't list spell ranges. What's different here are mob melee range and mob speed are increased. I might be wrong, though. Those songs are pretty useless anyway.

 

[Wiz]

blah.

at level 45 I was kiting without snare, using only sow which is a hell of alot slower than bard speed.

The only thing different from live regarding swarm kiting is the limited range of AoEs. because bards killing an entire zone at once, no matter how risky, is laughably unbalanced.

Swarm kiting doesn't use AEs.

Swarm kiting is where the bard charms one mob, and then runs around agroing a bunch of other social mobs (without damaging them). The charmed pet attacks the "swarm," grabbing agro, which lets the bard hang back while the pet gets beaten up. When the charmed pet is almost dead, the bard breaks charm using an instant invis clicky item, and then kites the ex-pet's remaining 10% HP off using DoTs. Then he charms another mob, which grabs agro on the swarm...

Rinse, lather, repeat.

You can't do that here because pets regain full HP when charm is broken.

Edit:

Unless I'm mistaken, the bard PBAE range is the same here as on Live. I don't know for sure because camongrel doesn't list spell ranges. What's different here are mob melee range and mob speed are increased. I might be wrong, though. Those songs are pretty useless anyway.

Bards were swarm kiting with AEs killing 30 mobs at the same time on live because AAs like extended notes affected the PBAE spells there, allowing you the range you needed.

They don't here for that reason.

 

[Methylene]

Bards were swarm kiting with AEs killing 30 mobs at the same time on live because AAs like extended notes affected the PBAE spells there, allowing you the range you needed.

They don't here for that reason.

Just FYI, the AAs were never necessary for AE kiting, they just made it stupidly easy.

 

[Wiz]

Bards were swarm kiting with AEs killing 30 mobs at the same time on live because AAs like extended notes affected the PBAE spells there, allowing you the range you needed.

They don't here for that reason.

Just FYI, the AAs were never necessary for AE kiting, they just made it stupidly easy.

Well then I don't know what the difference is here exactly, but 30-mob-kiting is regarded as pretty much impossible, and the bards who have tried (after doing it successfully on live) have generally been reduced to smears on the landscape.

 

[Tolain]

blah.


Unless I'm mistaken, the bard PBAE range is the same here as on Live. I don't know for sure because camongrel doesn't list spell ranges. What's different here are mob melee range and mob speed are increased. I might be wrong, though. Those songs are pretty useless anyway.

Bards were swarm kiting with AEs killing 30 mobs at the same time on live because AAs like extended notes affected the PBAE spells there, allowing you the range you needed.

They don't here for that reason.

You're thinking of AE kiting. Swarm kiting is charming one mob, and making 10 others attacking it, breaking charm, and then killing the mob at 1% exp or so.

Ae kiting *is* doable without extended notes/other AAs. I know because I did it all the time before those AAs came out, and I did it after they were nerfed. You most likely won't see it though, because I only knew one other bard on my server besides myself who was able to do it without the AAs. A single lagspike will kill you, one mistake will kill you, and you will die alot even if you're good. I could go into detail, but I'll just leave it at that.

As long as the AE range is the same, and mob melee range is more or less the same, I'm sure its doable. Damned if I'm going to try though, because I had enough of that horrible constant twisting on live.

As above posted stated, the AAs just made it retardedly easy for any schmuck to do. Calling AE kiting with those AAs risky is just a joke.