Bards

Well, if the goal is to make singing mastery not suck, I think the only options available that don't result in a net increase in power for bards are to either nerf instrument mastery to a degree in order to increase the power of singing mastery, or to change the effects of the AA entirely so that it does something completely different.

That said, Wiz's suggestion makes a lot of sense. It would make singing mastery pretty much required for grouping/raiding, just like Instrument Mastery is right now. It would break things out a bit more so that Instrument was more for soloing and Singing was more for groups and raids. And in the end, they're both useful.
 
Nargle I know you mean well but I don't think you have a full enough grasp to be weighing in. You would be fixing the issue of a useless AA by making it a requirement without actually adding anything beneficial when compared to before the change. The net gain to bards would be having to spend more AAs. That isn't even taking in to account the sparseness of items with all mods ( which would further devalue the usefulness of this change ).
 
Aye, Singing Mastery just doesn't do ANYTHING. If it can't be made to simply stack with all instrument mods, then switching it to a different effect, if that's possible, would be the only way.

As it is, it's 18 wasted points for me and many other bards. Maybe switch it as something to increase our spell penetration, or more spell crits, since we get a melee crit but no additional spell crit?

Just throwing out ideas at 3:00am.
 
Replacing it with Fury of Magic would be really cool, but I am not sure if they want to change it to a pre-existing AA.

Though there are a lot of issues with bards at the moment, I would like to see things like proc'ing while casting and dots stacking fixed before this AA gets changed. You can always avoid buying this AA until they fix it, but the other issues affect all bards all the time.
 
agree with felyn. both the idea with fury of magic and also that other stuff is really more important atm to be fixed for bards.. pleaaase some bard luvin =)
 
Cyzaine said:
Went and found the other thread about it that Zaela spoke in. Fun times.

Given the title of the thread I'm going to use it to list what you guys have complained about recently. So to put a todo list of sorts:

Singing Mastery - Singing mastery is worthless
Hymn of the Saviour - Stacking issues
Bard Procs - See if procs while casting can be fixed without breaking client
Single Resist Range - Fix pending Patch!
Disease/Poison Cure - Would not hold breath waiting for it to change back!
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I didn't want to make a new thread since this one had a lot of bard issues in it already. Can you go over what all has been changed? I think Singing Mastery is still the same and so is Hymn of the Saviour. You have mostly changed bard procs (innate and proc buffs still need fixing) and the resist song ranges were fixed. Were there any thoughts about the cures coming back in some form?

Just wanted to update this thread since things have been changed but the thread had not.

Thanks~
 
Singing Mastery - Singing mastery is still worthless (Wouldn't be opposed to suggestions for this, i'm drawing a blank on anything useful)
Hymn of the Saviour - Stacking issues (Frankly forgot what this one was... stacking issues with it and other death save were fixed in my death save patch awhile back)
Bard Procs - Innates still busted, but should be fixed next patch (haven't tested my changes yet so loathe to make them live)
Single Resist Range - FIXED
Disease/Poison Cure - Don't Believe this will happen, unless an admin specifically says otherwise.
 
Thanks sir. I will try to throw around some ideas for Singing Mastery. I think there might be some in this thread, but I can't remember if any of them were good.

Hymn of the Saviour apparently didn't stack with anything, but now the death saves stack as you said. The main issue was that it did not stack with cleric self buffs (Vessel and Archaic), nor does it stack with the lower water clicky. Making it increase heals for all healers would be nice, and the song would still be very situational.

Good to hear about innate procs working...will the proc buffs work as well, or is that still being worked on?

Is the reason the cures will not be added back because the songs are now raid wide? Could we have the cures added back to our group dispel if nothing else? This would make the song a total purging and not just magic based spells and it would make it group, but definitely not very powerful since you would destroy buffs. This would be something I would like to see as a last resort, since the effect on this song would be very underpowered. Maybe adding both cures to Song of the Mindflaye might be ok since that song is never used.
 
Cyzaine said:
Singing Mastery - Singing mastery is still worthless (Wouldn't be opposed to suggestions for this, i'm drawing a blank on anything useful)
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How about something to reduce the mana cost of bellows by say 5/10/15%? Or increase bard meditate rate.
 
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Even spamming both of these, I never really get low on mana except for in EXP. groups. It is a nice suggestion, but I think it is too narrow to be that useful.

Could always change it to Fury of Magic for more crits, but that seems boring. I would LOVE to have more innate non-interrupts. The worst part about being a bard is how easily our songs are interrupted if we are tanking. It sure would make jolting a lot easier.
 
Nodnal said:
Even spamming both of these, I never really get low on mana except for in EXP. groups. It is a nice suggestion, but I think it is too narrow to be that useful.

Could always change it to Fury of Magic for more crits, but that seems boring. I would LOVE to have more innate non-interrupts. The worst part about being a bard is how easily our songs are interrupted if we are tanking. It sure would make jolting a lot easier.
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Yeah felyn but compare your gear versus say.. anyone else. Not everyone has 7k mana and like 10 ft. But you are right it is probably too narrow. More -interruption would be great as would spell crit. But not sure either reallly fits.
 
Honestly, even when I was in Sepulcher raiding, I remember being in tells with Thizik and talking about how I never run out of mana on raids. I am not sure what tier that is, but it is lower than 7 (I think).
 
Yeah it's not raiding where it matters its grouping/farming/duoing. But not every aa is for raiding etc. (sepulcher is 4-6)
 
Thade said:
Yeah it's not raiding where it matters its grouping/farming/duoing. But not every aa is for raiding etc. (sepulcher is 4-6)
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I hate to keep arguing my point, but even still, back when I was a non-uber lad, I would just med up when the healers did. Mana never really was an issue for me.
 
I have never had that big of a problem with my mana on Rovan raiding, grouping or duoing, unless I am using our aoe DD often. I made him when Amicii was in like tier 3 so hes experienced the forementioned teirs pretty recently.
 
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