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I decided to make a seperate thread for this stuff as it sort of got steamrolled by enchanter issues in the Shared Mind one.

I don't think this was intentional but when the single resist songs were changed to raid-wide nothing was done to increase their range, meaning you have a raid-wide song with the same radius as Melody of the Shield (small as hell). I was wondering if this could be increased to make it more competitive with PoT4 as I think the intent was.

Another issue is that the cure component of Psalm of Purity and Psalm of Vitality were removed. I think this change is still in review along with the resist amount that single resist songs are giving post-change. I don't know about other bards but I would rather have these songs changed back to group only if it meant putting the cure back on. Failing that, perhaps they could receive a DS (like the others in the line) or a small proc effect. Maybe more experienced bards than I could weigh in on this.

Last but not least I wanted to bring up Singing Mastery. With the change recently to Shard Mind I thought this might not be a bad time to mull over how this could be changed in to something useful, although I understand it's not a priority and the Devs have their hands full as-is. I'm not really familiar with client limitations in terms of AA's but my suggestion is to (if possible) change this to an activated AA that gives a short duration singing modifier boost with a long reuse time. Whether this would be considered a step back in the wrong direction after the PoT4 change, I don't know.

I also wanted to thank Zaela for all the new mod items, at first I was a bit wary to see so many old standard items changed but the distribution is very well done.
 
The range issue I can state as fact was an oversight. I was under the impression it should have been fixed with the recent patch, but if that wasn't the case we'll be sure to get it in.

I'm personally not commenting on the poison and disease songs yet.

Not playing a bard, I don't understand why singing mastery isn't considered good. If someone could explain this to me I'd appreciate it.

As much awesome work as Zaela does, the instrument changes were actually headed by Allie, aided by the dev's in finding where and how hard everything was to get.
 
Instrument Mastery boosts the power of singing mod items - superseding and rendering worthless, Singing Mastery.
 
Singing Mastery gained a little bit of power due to the nerfing of most All instrument mods, but if you use an All mod, then Singing Mastery is quite worthless.
 
Actually Singing Mastery boosts the power of songs for which you do not have any mod equipped at all, better mod itemization made it even less useful than before.
 
I agree that the cure effects should be put back on those songs, maybe just tune them down a bit/a lot, to a point where its more in line with the shaman group cure (of course that also means the song should switch back to single group)
 
Went and found the other thread about it that Zaela spoke in. Fun times.

Given the title of the thread I'm going to use it to list what you guys have complained about recently. So to put a todo list of sorts:

Singing Mastery - Singing mastery is worthless
Hymn of the Saviour - Stacking issues
Bard Procs - See if procs while casting can be fixed without breaking client
Single Resist Range - Fix pending Patch!
Disease/Poison Cure - Would not hold breath waiting for it to change back!
 
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Actually Singing Mastery boosts the power of songs for which you do not have any mod equipped at all, better mod itemization made it even less useful than before.
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Good point...I guess overall it probably lost even more usefulness.
 
I was under the impression that singing mastery worked for singing mod only items, but "all instrument" mods used instrument mastery.

I found out about this fact after purchasing it and can not currently test this since I have maxed them both.
 
Zaknafean said:
Went and found the other thread about it that Zaela spoke in. Fun times.

Given the title of the thread I'm going to use it to list what you guys have complained about recently. So to put a todo list of sorts:

Singing Mastery - Singing mastery is worthless
Hymn of the Saviour - Stacking issues
Bard Procs - See if procs while casting can be fixed without breaking client
Single Resist Range - It too small for a raid!
Disease/Poison Cure - Statement pending review

I miss anything?
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I kind of forgot to post at the time, and it is not a huge concern given the weakness of other classes ancients, but Song of the Mindflayer is quite useless and I am not joking when I say I have never memmed this spell, let alone cast it. Not sure if anything can be done to tweak it to make it semi-useful, but as is now, we just have other options that are vastly superior.
 
Er correct me if I'm wrong, but how would a save reduction to Pot4 be at all related to bard buster. Essentially wouldn't you not have saves for the bulk of the fights anyway? If this is at all spoilers PM me.
 
Bard busters were put in to combat Pot4. I think with the nerfs of Pot4, they are no longer necessary as the AE will hit at least half as much if not more with how Pot4 is now (from what I have seen so far).
 
Just wanted to bump this to say single resist songs are still set to 50 range and to also ask if any thought has been put in to whether Vitality and Purity will be reverted to group only with the cures added back.
 
Range and the fact Psalm of Warmth is group only are being addressed this patch. No curing though.
 
If you want to make singing mod useful, then have it be the modifier that affects the ALL items, not instrument mod. Most of the ALL items aren't instruments anyway.
 
Thanks Cyz and whoever else was involved.

Also as far as Wiz's suggestion that Singing mastery be made to effect the All instrument mod items: Wouldn't that pan out to be a non-beneficial change and actually make it required for bards to buy Singing Mastery to get back to where they were? (Unless I'm mistaken in thinking instrument mastery is currently effecting these items)

I think most bards would rather it just be left as-is given that choice.
 
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