Bards + JB?

[Arcen]

Someone mentioned that they thought JB mana regen affected bards now. I always thought it just gave us a bigger mana pool, but no mana regen. Can I get any confirmation one way or the other?

 

[Raxton]

Cast jb on yourself, hit a few cm stats when not full on mana and out of combat. Then click jb and repeat and compare.

 

[Thade]

JB does nothing for bards other than give you more mana. Need dat lich clickie.

 

[Olive]

There are two types of mana regeneration buffs. The 'normal' kind is capped. This includes buffs like Jayla's Boon, Spiritual Bliss or Ward of Nature. The other is not, and is sometimes referred to as 'overcap mana regen.' This includes buffs like Lich, Vortex, or Placid Focus. Jayla's Boon and other normal mana regen buffs do work on bards' mana. The cap is just set lower than other classes, at six [6] mana per tick at 65. Before /cm stats showed exact numbers to test, it was probably undetectable to players. Overcap mana will work as with all other classes, giving the full amount of regen, although there are fewer buffs of this nature.

So, in terms of which buffs you could use, Jayla's Boon is actually a good option (unless you have access to a Lich clicky for twenty mana per tick). You will hit your maximum bonus of six and get the 450 mana pool increase. One last note about bards' mana concerns the line of regen songs. With the exception of Lcea's Lament, the bard regen songs do not affect your own mana. Lcea's has eighteen 'regular' mana regen as well as five 'overcap' regen. You will receive up to five overcap mana from Lcea's, but only if you have some other buff with mana regen.

 

[donfolstar3]

So, in terms of which buffs you could use, Jayla's Boon is actually a good option (unless you have access to a Lich clicky for twenty mana per tick). You will hit your maximum bonus of six and get the 450 mana pool increase. One last note about bards' mana concerns the line of regen songs. With the exception of Lcea's Lament, the bard regen songs do not affect your own mana. Lcea's has eighteen 'regular' mana regen as well as five 'overcap' regen. You will receive up to five overcap mana from Lcea's, but only if you have some other buff with mana regen.

Clarification:
1. Lcea's Lament is the only regen song that has overcap regen?
2. "Bard regen songs do not affects your own mana" over the base cap of 6 or at all?

The answers appear to be:
1. Yes, only the relic has overcap. The rest are 100% regular regen.
2. At all. The mana regen component of bard regen songs do not affect bards with the exception of overcap on Lcea's.

But I want to be certain since mana regen is oh so precious that it is easy for wishful thinking to lead to bad decisions.

 

[Atada]

Does the same apply to other hybrids like Paladins?

 

[Dinadass]

Does the same apply to other hybrids like Paladins?

No, just bards.

 

[Olive]

I will be glad to clarify. I tried to make the explanation clear without creating a wall of text, but it is sort of confusing. None of this is staff leaks, you can test all this yourself with buffs and /cm stats.

1. Lcea's Lament is the only regen song that has overcap regen?

Yes, Relic: Lcea's Lament is the only song with overcap mana regen. However it does this through a unique mechanic. It doesn't give overcap mana directly, instead it moves other mana regen into overcap. Lcea's Lament is twenty-three (23) mana regen per tick. First it will fill your 'normal' mana regen, up to your mana cap. And then any amount it has left, up to five (5), will move to overcap mana regen.

2. "Bard regen songs do not affects your own mana" over the base cap of 6 or at all?

Bard mana regen songs do not work on bard mana at all. The unique mechanic of Lcea's that I explained above is the only reason it works at all. If I did a good job this will be obvious. But, if you have no other buffs with mana regen, Lcea's still does nothing. If you do have another mana regen, it will move up to five (5) into overcap regen.

Does the same apply to other hybrids like Paladins?

No, other hybrids are the same as priests and casters. All non-bards can have up to thirty (30) mana per tick from buffs.

This is an explanation of Lcea's that you can skip if you understand already!

Example: You are playing a bard character with no mana regen buff, and receive zero (0) mana per tick. You begin to sing Lcea's Lament and get no (0) additional mana. Example: You are playing a bard character with WoN and receive six (6) mana per tick. You begin to sing Lcea's Lament and get an additional two (2) mana regen while the song is active. Example: You are playing a bard character with Jayla's Boon and receive six (6) mana per tick. You begin to sing Lcea's Lament and get an additional five (5) mana regen.

Example: You are playing a shaman with no mana regen buff, and recieve zero (0) mana per tick. A bard begins to sing Lcea's Lament and you get twenty-three (23) mana per tick while the song is active. Example: You are playing a beastlord with Spiritual Bliss and receive eight (8) mana per tick. A bard begins to sing Lcea's Lament and you get thirty-one (31) mana per tick. Example: You are playing a druid with WoN plus Mask of the Hunter and receive twelve (12) mana per tick. A bard begins to sing Lcea's Lament and you get thirty-five (35) mana per tick. Example: You are playing an enchanter with JB and receive eighteen (18) mana per tick. A bard begins to sing Lcea's Lament and you get thirty-five (35) mana per tick while the song is active.

Conclusion: Lcea's Lament is twenty-three (23) mana regen per tick. It will transfer up to five (5) of that, if unused, into overcap mana.

 

[dracosf22]

Not part of the OP, but fits here more then starting another thread...

The tome Quiet Reflection ups our med skill by 25 per level, in theory...since my skill has never gone up after doing vol 1. Would each level of this raise our mana regen a tick?

 

[windows777]

Hey uhh olive in your examples u said won would give u six and with regen song you would only get an aditional 2 is thia correct or would a bard with won and relic regen be capped?

Crownk

 

[dracosf22]

not sure why I didn't think of this before, but just thinking if I vould get a clarification on the following example:

Since lich counts as an overcap buff of 20, would you gain benefit from having won (6), and singing relic Regen,?

 

[jumbers]

Not part of the OP, but fits here more then starting another thread...

The tome Quiet Reflection ups our med skill by 25 per level, in theory...since my skill has never gone up after doing vol 1. Would each level of this raise our mana regen a tick?

They raise your effective med skill, so you won't see a change in your skills window.

Hey uhh olive in your examples u said won would give u six and with regen song you would only get an aditional 2 is thia correct or would a bard with won and relic regen be capped?

Crownk

First of all, WoN gives 8 mana regen. Lcea's removes 5 from the normal cap pool and puts it into "overcap". WoN without Lcea's running would hit your cap of 6. WoN with Lcea's running will move 5 of that 8 to the "overcap" pool leaving 3 in the normal pool. The result is 8 mana per tick and if you got another buff that gave you 3 or more, you could max out at 11 mana per tick from buffs.