Bard solo AOE Guide (help) ... scratch this thread

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Nbur

Dalayan Beginner
Howdy all,

K some of you may have seen me around asking in OOC for the following, but with no succes there and no succes doing a search, i could use some help compiling a list of zones suitable for a bard to AOE kite... ( for bards that dont have 2k hp at level 25 =P )

for people who arent bards that have a few ideas here is the criteria

1.) Outdoor (needed for selo's to stay infront of the mob)
2.) NO casters, or easily avoidable casters (too many casters = one dead bard)
3.) Camps are better than roamers, most of the time. Ice Clade Ocean on live is a good example of an exeption. LOTS of roamers of roughly the same level is 10x better than a camp.

Guide thus far:

Bard AOE kiteing is possible from level 2 onwards with the introduction to Cords of Discord, however, untill level 5 you can't do this with out SOW. If you cant get to level 5, maybe SoD isn't the game for you any way. At 18 you get your best and deadliest friend, DDD. This spell with a normal horn does 17 damage to start with and gains 1dmg every two levels and with a normal horn it does double damage.

How to AOE kite on a bard: ***need to know*** from first person veiw ROLL the mouse wheeel back as far as possible *** simple as running once you get the hang of things. Grab all the mobs you see that are with in a few levels of you higher or lower. They will be all scatered all around at first. Lets say you get two mobs at first. They should come at you in the shap of a "Y" left and right corners of the y being the mobs and the bottom you. See where the "Y" comes together ? Thats what you want the mobs to do. Once you get your mobs in a single group you can start the DOT song. Run in a rectangle with rounded corners. Try to keep the group in the bottom left/right hand corner of your screen this will ensure that all the mobs get hit by your DOT. This takes practice so dont get discouraged if you day a few times before you kill 20 mobs the first time.

Levels and Zones:

5-9: Gnolls outside BB still in centuar hills.
10-15: Spiders in WBL.
15-18: Plague Gnolls in WBL (south east corner of zone is a small camp and a named).
18-25: Bladeblood Footpads in NBL(east side, there is a large barn and a small house).

attempted failures at 24:
EBL currupts
Liodeth warders around paw


this ends my pathetic compilation... i need help >=/

hook me up with some ideas for 25+
 
We can't aoe kite here. We can dual kite tho if you have a key to change between targets.
 
Strangeness here... Timir, a lvl 65 Bard says you can't AE Kite. I wonder if you can. I've heard REPEATEDLY from multiple sources that you can kite a max of 6 mobs and hit them all with AE songs. Here, we read "10+" from one person (a lvl 25 Bard) and "None" from a lvl 65 Bard... I'm not being sarcastic; I really do wonder who is correct. Is it unlimited? Is it ~10? Is it hard cap of 6? Or can you absolutely not do it as Timir says?
 
well when i was attempting to kite the Liodeth guys out side of paw there are like what 10 or so of them if not more so i rounded all them up and began DDD... killed 4 of them before i was killed because of pathing issues ... checked a few of them and they were all around 30 or 40% (red to me and thus not all died around the sameish time)
 
Nbur said:
well when i was attempting to kite the Liodeth guys out side of paw there are like what 10 or so of them if not more so i rounded all them up and began DDD... killed 4 of them before i was killed because of pathing issues ... checked a few of them and they were all around 30 or 40% (red to me and thus not all died around the sameish time)
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Naturally. You won't hit the same six every time. :)
 
good dam point ...

k that sums that up doesnt it /ponder man thats harsh...

well now that i know this vital info im thikn that the edge of soloin for a bard has been stolen

max of two DOTs/DDs on any one mob even for chant kiting ... well scrap this idea... yet another class forced to group /sigh.. haha you cant even duo with a bard... sub par dmg ac hp as far as tanking ... cant heal well or cast dmg well..

so im a mana battery with weapons and a group haste.... wewt
 
I think bards might not be for you. They're largely a support class. I can't speak for the lower end, but at the top end I love bards in groups.
 
i played one on live to 70... mostly because i could solo VERY efficiently

SOD bards are verey different... /sigh guess im moven onto my next class /sniffle i loved my bard on live
 
So you were happy with your soloing abilities, until you learned the mechanics behind them... and now you're unhappy with them? :?
 
put it this way ...

under 20% the mobs slow down to a walk and still follow you (usually)

under 10% the mobs stop following you and run away... you cant keep aoe kiting OR u can chant them to death
this is for sociable mobs

on live they follow you untill death when sociable

untill 25 this really doesnt matter. Why?

it takes the same amount of time to AOE kite one mob as it does (in teory) 100 ... if you can only kill a max of 6 every time well then you do the math. its good exp, dont get me wrong, just not worth the time to only kill 6 with the least risk (if you randomly hit 6 out of XX number of mobs you will enevitably have more risk than if you can hit all the mobs your soloing).

*shrug* the mechanics just pushed me over the edge of what i was already thinking about.
 
Wow... so I want to get this straight so I'm not just pulling stuff out of my nether regions. But we are seriously complaining here about only being able to drag 6 mobs around outside of melee range so they can't hit us, while doing damage to them for a whopping 0 mana, thus causing 0 downtime... You can kill 6 mobs, all at the same time, while expending nothing other than time....

and we're complaining that it's not 10 mobs? Or 100? On Live, AE Kiting was nerfed as well. Sure, I used to pull the entire Gunthak beach, the whole armory from Dulak, all the stalkers in PoN, all the skeeters in PoD, etc... but... that was way overpowered... Even in the mid-50's, I could ding myself pretty much in one good solid evening without too much trouble. With Wizards/Druids being the next most capable of killing multiple mobs (quad-kiting)... and they were only able to kill 4 at a time, using mana, with higher resists, and also had to snare all the mobs or SoW themselves, so more mana usage... So I'm glad it got nerfed into oblivion on Live... and I personally think allowing you to do this same tactic on 6 mobs is MORE than lenient... Wiz could have made it where mobs don't take damage from AEDoT songs if you're moving, or shrunk the AE range to 0 if moving, etc... But instead, he just limited it to 6 mobs...

I feel, personally, that my ranger is a bit overpowered just in the very low end game... because I'm able to, after level 9, simply snare a yellow or red mob, and then kite them around and kill them... Because I use no mana and don't get hit, there's no downtime, but at least I have to buy arrows to do it...

Yes, I realize that due to the range of the AEDoT's, timing is more of an issue in Bard AE Kiting than Bow Kiting... but still... name another class who could safely solo 6 white mobs at the same time (or even in a row) and end at full health and mana.
 
I'm sure that the crippling damage inflicted on your psyche by not being able to solo an entire zone at once will heal in time, with therapy.
 
no no no ... im not saying i need to kill an entire zone, i admit no other class can safely kill 6 red mobs ... im saying the time and skill (more rythm than anything) isnt what i want to spend my time doing for the risk involved... one slip up and WHAM stun run away as far as possible WHAM stun ... death follows and game over... Such is life trying o AOE ... but yea im done ranting... pissed off enough people... i just had a bad day /sniffle

delete / lock this thread.. i dont wanna be reamed by like 20 people.
 
Heh, I don't think anyone is going to ream you, and it wasn't my intent either... I was just pointing out the context it needed to be considered in. As someone who played a Bard on Live and did a LOT of AE Kiting, I can't blame you for not wanting to do that. So, if you don't AE Kite, you just have to look at what else the class can do and see if that is what you want... It sounds like you just wanted a high level character fast, and Bards could get there fast.. but once there, would you enjoy what your Bard would do other than AE Kiting? If so, it may still be worth playing.

Bards are somewhat sparse on the server.. I've almost never had one in a group in the low end game... They still bring a lot to a group and I imagine could be fun to play... but, yeah, they're certainly not what they were on Live.

Think about the playstyle you WANT to have, and try to find a class that does that... Other than not being able to AE Kite, Bards have a lot of cool stuff, but there are so many different classes for good reason. If you want relatively safe solo-game with little downtime, try a Ranger... Bow kiting is easier/safer than AE Kiting, if a bit slower. But most classes on here trade their group/raid usefulness for solo ability... generally speaking if they're great soloers, they're not as irreplacable in groups and vice versa... that's part of what I think makes Bards cool from what I've read... they have SEVERAL ways of soloing that are pretty neat, just take some skill... and yet they are still desirable in the mid/high/raid end games...

I hope you find a class you enjoy playing, and I'm sure if you listed what you were looking for, everyone here would gladly help ya with suggestions.
 
I started a Bard here a few weeks ago, have yet to group very much because I spend all my time AOE kiting. Here is a list of where I was able to kite, hope it helps. My memory is a bit fizzy so some of the level ranges wont be exact but very close.

Everfrost, outside Blackburrow: Gnoll Sentries. Level 7-12
Steamfont, Mountains, Mino Caves: Clockwork Gnomes. Level 12-18
The Warrens, Tamed Kodiak Caves: Tamed Kodiaks. Level 18-24 (Yes, kiting in an indoor zone :p)
Sea of Swords, Pirate Island: Pirates. Level 24-30. (Get a levi or some levi rings and kite over the water.)
Eastern Badlands, by zone to Gorge of Oneeye: Greater Zombies. Level 30-36.
Southern Badlands, by the Bridge: The Spectres. Level 36-38.
Faentharc Woods, Geonid Caves: Geonids. Level 38-41.

And thats as far as I have gotten.
Another thing to keep in mind is once into the early 40s get hit once and you are probably dead. I usualy only kite 4 Geonids because 6 would be insta death if they ever hit me. Also Faentharc woods is a bit insane to kite in with all the trees and hills. 4 geonids will take me from 100%hp to 35-50% in one round, if I dont get stunned I can live.

Once you get level 38 you get your first real nice DOT, it does about 3 times more dmg then AOE song. Because the level 38 dot does that much more damage you can kill about 3 single mobs or 3 sets of 2 mobs in the same time to kill 6 mobs with the AOE if the mob doesnt resist alot. After 38 there is no real need to AOE kite anymore, sometimes I still do just because the AOE is resisted far less then the Targeted DOT.

Level 1 to level 41 in under 3 days /played, not super fast leveling but not too shabby. Ive seen people who duo box level as fast if not faster in groups though.
 
i liked charm kiting or whatever you ppl call it more then aoe kiting on my bard from live

I always lol'd a little irl watching npcs do all the work for me.
 
Charm kiting was the best, I remeber doing so outside dreadlands, a full group next to me taking out single mobs while I did basically 2 at a time :) it is kinda "lame" as far as the expereince is obtained, 10% of your own dmg to a mob kills it, however it was nice :( it is more exiciting to charm kite with an enchanter though :)
 
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