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JayelleNephilim
"Helpy Helper"
Man I haven't been this confused with the "he said/she said" since high school!
I think THE POINT that Rambler was trying to make (and ultimately lost track of, LOL) Liam reiterated above. Rambler just misquoted Hasrett who said:
Am I following all this correctly, LOL?! So, in summery:
* It's OK to use the F bomb in /ooc as long as you're not being a complete tool a large majority of the time
* If you forget the above and your /ooc is revoked, take a hint and stop being a jerkface (not just in /ooc) or you'll be banned on top of it
Liam said:
Rambler said:
I think THE POINT that Rambler was trying to make (and ultimately lost track of, LOL) Liam reiterated above. Rambler just misquoted Hasrett who said:
[color=cyan]Hasrett[/color] said:
Am I following all this correctly, LOL?! So, in summery:
* It's OK to use the F bomb in /ooc as long as you're not being a complete tool a large majority of the time
* If you forget the above and your /ooc is revoked, take a hint and stop being a jerkface (not just in /ooc) or you'll be banned on top of it
zodium said:
IMO it is inapropriate language in public channels, simply because there are children playing this game (I have seen mention of those as young as 8), and such language should not be use around children. Note, I do not consider an occasional curse grounds for banning, or even revoking ooc, but to say there is nothing wrong with it is, well... wrong.
I have a child, and he does not play this game because I don't consider the general chat appropriate for an 8 year old. However, some children still play and everyone should have enough respect for that to at least TRY to watch what they say in public channels.
Of course getting graphic about certain subjects is a different matter entirely.
just my 2 cp.
zodium
Dalayan Elder
With all due respect, the burden is on the parents to keep the kid away from the game if they find it inappropriate, not for the game's community to change their ways for the children (cue patriotic music). We do not have a problem with anyone requesting others change their tone, but we are certainly not going to enforce it.
JayelleNephilim
"Helpy Helper"
Zodium said:
I'd have to agree with Zodium. I turn the filter on so that the bad words do not show up as such before I give the keyboard over to my 7 year old. She can read well, but at her age she is too busy concentrating on not killing her toon then what is going on in /ooc. It's just my way of making sure I protect her lil eyes from what I sometimes find inappropriate myself. There have been some rather explicit conversations as of late that have made me decide to start turning /ooc off all together. Instead of getting into a debate in /ooc about a paticular conversation ... I just turn /ooc off for a short period of time. *shrug*
zodium said:
I never suggested anything be enforced.
Aarielly said:
I simply suggested that we should accept our individual responsability to be careful what we say in ooc. In other words, try to do the right thing, rather than encouraging it by saying "there is nothign wrong with it." Don't get me wrong, I have sworn in ooc on rare occasions (a fair bit more frequently in guild, depending on who is online at the time), but far more often I start typing something then go back and replace the curse words. I dont expect everyone to be prim and proper all the time, I do beleive they should at least make an attempt to avoid cursing when children are around.
zodium said:
I never suggested any such thing. In fact, I said just the oposite.
Aarielly said:
I am very careful about what movies my son watches, what games he plays, and what music he listens to. Some of these things I let him be exposed to and discuss them with him so that he understands, others are simply too adult or unneccesary. I am not worried about my child seeing anythign here, because he does not see it at all.
I do curse freely when amoung other adults (unless one finds it particularly offensive, which is seldom). I also try to set an example whenever children are near. Anythign you do in front of children sets an example, whether you like it or not. No one should be expected to be perfect, but everyone can be expected to make an effort to set the right example.
I know that GMs will revoke ooc when someone gets really out of hand, and I have no problem with how it has been handled so far. Just remember that you are setting an example whether you like it or not. I would prefer that I could curse freely in ooc, but I cant because I know children are listening.
Tarrax Ironwolf
Dalayan Beginner
If the filter doesn't catch everything, when in doubt disable /ooc and shouts. Its in the options window. And when its your turn to play, enable them once again.
nt03hamlin
Dalayan Beginner
holy crap, i didn't want to start an arguement.
besides i didn't use any vulgar language.
the whole "your mom" thing or "in the pants" (which by the way these phrases are widely used and accepted in "our" society and should never be used as an excuse for taking any kind of discipline action on anything.)thing was just a running joke that someone else started!
think of it as "lawl" or something. NOW THATS ANNOYING!
either way i really don't think i offended anyone and if i irritated anyone they already had something up there you know what so it was inevitable that they were gonna blame someone for their poor attitude anyways.
Shambo
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besides i didn't use any vulgar language.
the whole "your mom" thing or "in the pants" (which by the way these phrases are widely used and accepted in "our" society and should never be used as an excuse for taking any kind of discipline action on anything.)thing was just a running joke that someone else started!
think of it as "lawl" or something. NOW THATS ANNOYING!
either way i really don't think i offended anyone and if i irritated anyone they already had something up there you know what so it was inevitable that they were gonna blame someone for their poor attitude anyways.
Shambo
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zodium
Dalayan Elder
aarielly said:
The thing is, not everyone agrees what "the right example" is; for instance, me. From what I gather out of what you say, you think that children should not be exposed to swearing or offensive material: I disagree completely. The world is full of swearing and offensive things and the sooner children learn to live with them, with the guidance of their parents, the better. Children should be taught there's nothing wrong with "dropping the f bomb" - or saying fuck, for short - because frankly a lot of adults do it several time on a daily basis, myself included, and eventually they will have to learn to cope with it without being highly offended anyway.
Moreover, swearing for emphasis is perfectly fine. The words don't just exist to offend good, pious Christians (forgive the example, but it's a good stereotype to use here) and corrupt the children, but are a perfectly valid way to express certain emotions and feelings that everyone has and most probably feel almost every day. It's only when you start swearing with the specific intent to offend people that it becomes trolling, which we don't want because trolling has no constructive purpose and is generally annoying. This form of socially-enforced censorship doesn't sit well with me, and I would find it both exceedingly hard and downright wrong to go against what I believe is a rational and sound approach to the issue by setting the so-called "right example".
As for you, Shambo, no. You are not unbanned, and I doubt you will be. If you wish to start fresh, you may do so on a new account.
With all due respect, I hardly think trying to reduce the amount of profanity to which one's young child is exposed is trying to mold the world.zodium said:
That said, I do agree that it's completely up to the parent to decide whether SoD is suitable for their children in that regard and not the responsibility of the gaming community to censor themselves. Personally, I make an effort to avoid profanity out of simple respect for myself and those around me, but I don't expect everyone to have the same view on it. If I decide the game is too dicey for my kids even with the profanity filter, they won't play it.
atriot:nt03hamlin said:
Uggh. I'm only 23 and I've not heard the "in your pants" phrase before. I feel old now. Its not widely accepted or used except for in the 13 year old society I guess.
My problem with swearing is that people over use it now adays and say it all the time. People start to say F this or F-ing that, and they use less and less of their languages vocabulary. I don't know. To me, the more someone swears, the more uneducated they seem to me. I prefer to use other language than :censored: #%^@$^&#&% :censored: :censored: :censored: #%@$!^%@! everytime something happens.
dunbar said:
/agree
I will say that I would rather hear the f-bomb here (SoD) than hear someone going on about "your mom" and "in your pants" as, to me, cursing does not neccessarily correlate to immaturity where as the latter part does. "your mom" I haven't really heard since high school (now 7+ years removed); the other I can't really say I have come across until now.
Swearing is all about context. It can be used as an effective part of language, it can be used to offend, it can be used meaninglessly out of habit, and so on. When it's used to offend in public channels is when you may see a GM response--again, depending on context. It is neither the players' nor the GMs' place to help parents raise their kids or impose their moral and social values on others. I, for one, am in favor of parents shielding their kids from the worst of profanity, violence, etc. I therefore believe that parents shouldn't let their small children play online games which, as a category, are renowned for the immaturity that internet annonymity seems to engender. I make what I feel to be a valid assumption: the parents who share those values will not allow their kids to play this game, or will take steps to shield their kids from that particular aspect of it. Parents who do not do so, I assume, do not share those values, and therefore the kids are exposed to it not only on SOD, but also through other sources--in which case our intervention will make no real difference.
When you boil all that down, you come to my conclusion: I don't give a rat's ass if you use the invective, as long as you aren't being a jackass about it. Jackassery, whether through profanity or anything else, is a no-no.
You'll find that this pretty much falls in line with the "don't be a prick" part of the SoD rules.
When you boil all that down, you come to my conclusion: I don't give a rat's ass if you use the invective, as long as you aren't being a jackass about it. Jackassery, whether through profanity or anything else, is a no-no.
You'll find that this pretty much falls in line with the "don't be a prick" part of the SoD rules.
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