Ancient drop rates and low-end respawn times

[Riesen]

pretty font.

 

[Latten]

Got 2 ancients in 1 day few days ago , killed Overseer Gnarka and Ishklaa hi DFS .

 

[Riesen]

I think what stope is trying to say is that ancient spell scrolls are dropping more from mobs that are aimed at the farming community, rather than the mobs that up and coming raid guilds would be targeting. And most of these ancient spells are a raiding guild necessity (druid quick heal, for example)

??? why do "people" think that by informing me of their farmig trips, they are going to actually disprove my point?

I might have meant exodus by "people"

 

[yale]

Drop the Exodus stuff now, why do you bother trying to diss our whole guild when you only have problems with a small number of members?

We don't post as a guild, we post as individuals - if you want to flame one of us, then do it individually & don't do it in a thread in which you hope people to discuss things seriously.

However, in dfs I have seen every named drop an ancient (including Krizbit, the dark blue one near ent).

 

[Syalara]

??? why do "people" think that by informing me of their farmig trips, they are going to actually disprove my point?

And what point would that be? That you dont even know what can drop ancients yet want them added to more mobs loot tables? That you killed Lasanth 3 whole times and he didnt drop an ancient?

The OP said he thought lower tiered guilds would have issues getting ancients.....no lower tier guild came in here to agree. Many of the mobs listed here in this thread can easily be taken out by a low tiered guild or a group of a few friends or a bored person boxing. How would adding ancients to Cmal 3 encounters change anything??

This entire thread is a joke, the OP started off tossing a snide remark my way, and the OP's little buddy continued with snide and stupid remarks aimed at an entire guild. You 2 sure proved a point in this thread but I dont think it was the one you were hoping for.

DFS is also dropping loot so out of date with the current raid tiers, that no one really raids dfs for anything anymore,e except the few higher guilds wanting the CSI ring with 90 mana.

I think there is call tos ee ancient spells drop more in line with some of the ecoutners for groups of that level.

.....so it should be damn easy for these low tiered folks you are trying to save from a life without ancients to get them if this place is out of date. no?

An example would be Funeral Master in CMal3.

Goon Squad has been killling cmal3 on a pretty regular absis. Being able to 1 group funeral master merits ancients, in my opinion.

In Summary:

I think The higher end Cmal3 encounters, Funeral Guardian, Funeral Master, should have ancient drop chance added, I do not see any negative repercussions to this.

Being able to one group a one group encounter dosent warrant anything special. :toot:

But the closest you came to a clear point was that you kill Cmal 3 and now want ancients to drop from there.

 

[Riesen]

And what point would that be?

The only reason exodus got 2 ancients, was because they ran an entire raid of DFS to get shenre a ring. The loot is so underpowered in DFS, that it's hard for any up and coming guild to condone going there (with the exception of maybe 2 items off yinny)

The point was exactly what i quoted, that the ancient drops are dropping more off mobs higher end guilds farm, rather than the mobs the up and coming guilds are killen.

If someone of consequence wants comes around and says that ancients are itnended to be this difficult to acquire, then i'm man enough to say ok. However, they were not this difficult to acquire prior to the no drop switch, nor after the no drop switch. They are if not in actuality, then most definitely seemingly more rare.

Being able to one group a one group encounter dosent warrant anything special. :toot:

I actually have only ever killed funeral master twice. And i am definitely not in need of ancients on any of my characters, period.

The exodus comments were probably unwarranted, but it's become a shit slinging war on the forums, and quite frankly, they started it.


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[Nwaij]

The only reason exodus got 2 ancients, was because they ran an entire raid of DFS to get shenre a ring. The loot is so underpowered in DFS, that it's hard for any up and coming guild to condone going there (with the exception of maybe 2 items off yinny)

yeah.... I recommend you get your facts sorted before you post...

The exodus comments were totally unwarranted, but it's become a shit slinging war on the forums, and quite frankly, I started it for no reason at all.

fixed.

 

[Latten]

The only reason exodus got 2 ancients, was because they ran an entire raid of DFS

Since when was my Clr + Bard a entire raid when i doued Overseer Gnarka syduck:

 

[Thinkmeats]

But the closest you came to a clear point was that you kill Cmal 3 and now want ancients to drop from there.

In fairness, a lot of stuff in cmal 3 is definitely hard enough to be worth dropping ancients.

 

[Thizik]

In fairness, a lot of stuff in cmal 3 is definitely hard enough to be worth dropping ancients.

Especially the later parts of Cmal 3, and they even have longer respawn timers to boot!

 

[Dzillon]

I wasn't disagreeing when CMal3 was brought up about ancients. They might be on the appropriate difficulty ; but the problem is that ancients drop from mobs on quite a large specter of difficulty! iirc they drop nice spells sometimes too...if we replace 61+ spell droppers by ancient , it's making the latter spells less common and the ancients more (take Broodmother for example, I don't think a lot of people would enjoy that trade) ; and the latters are almost of no value (ok 200pp) once they rot.
I think the point of the ancients is to be rare, and as pointed before there are already a large variety of ancient droppers. The drop rate is low but it seems to be meant to be so.

 

[Riesen]

I would think that Funeral Master, funeral Guardian, wouldn't cause problems. Neither of them drop spells (at least, i have never seen one) nor have i seen many spells drop in cmal3 period.

Doesn't seem too far fetched to me.

 

[GuiardoTuneweaver]

The loot is so underpowered in DFS, that it's hard for any up and coming guild to condone going there (with the exception of maybe 2 items off yinny)

This is not true for real up-and-coming guilds. When Rev 1.0 was up-and-coming (when we were all in our high 50s, early 60s), we were raiding DFS and getting some very decent upgrades, along with our ancients. It's true that, once a guild has progressed past the difficulty of these mobs, the loot is underpowered, but that is as it should be. Also, once a guild has progressed enough to kill Yinny, they only have to clear the other DFS named once to get to Yinny, then her locket allows them to bypass all the other named for future Yinny kills.

I think a good amount of the frustration is from people who jumped directly into an existing raiding guild which has progressed past ancients, rather than being a member of an up-and-coming guild progressing naturally through content. (I'm not saying this is the wrong thing to do; there are obviously some very good reasons for doing so. Many in Rev 2.0 fall into this category.)

 

[Danku]

I think a good amount of the frustration is from people who jumped directly into an existing raiding guild which has progressed past ancients, rather than being a member of an up-and-coming guild progressing naturally through content. (I'm not saying this is the wrong thing to do; there are obviously some very good reasons for doing so. Many in Rev 2.0 fall into this category.)

As a guild of the up and coming, Ancients are pretty damned hard to find. Most of our members are lacking at least 1 if not both. Before you type it out, not it is not because we do not know where to look. It is more along the lines of we cannot find the mobs up.

I think one thing may tie into this discussion that has not been brought up. Ancient scrolls can be turned in for cash? Correct me if I am wrong, but if that is true why is it so? If you farm mobs below your skill level and get no drop gear you destroy it, why make ancient scrolls farmable for cash?

 

[Eldorath]

some mobs that you would kill for droppable loot or even normal mobs like the Faded Shades and Greater Bone dragons in Necropolis drop ancients.

I am 100% sure no one is killing mobs that have no drop loot in order to farm money for cash, they only sell for 200 platinum, which is about 20 minutes in cyc gorge...

 

[Tempus]

As a guild of the up and coming, Ancients are pretty damned hard to find. Most of our members are lacking at least 1 if not both. Before you type it out, not it is not because we do not know where to look. It is more along the lines of we cannot find the mobs up.

I think one thing may tie into this discussion that has not been brought up. Ancient scrolls can be turned in for cash? Correct me if I am wrong, but if that is true why is it so? If you farm mobs below your skill level and get no drop gear you destroy it, why make ancient scrolls farmable for cash?

I am pretty sure it is like 100p for turning them in (never had an extra one laying around to try it). Also, In the past month we have gotten 3 ancients from WW dragons for a handful of our members that still need one. This was done with only checking one or two times per week on nights we don't raid, or by just finding one up on our way to DHK. So just because you think every level 65 player doesn't have, and has exhausted all options to obtain their ancients is not a valid argument to make them even easier to obtain then they already are.

In summary:
1. Ancients are dropping.
2. People who need them are turning them in.
3. They are not supposed to be easy to get.