agility on tank gear

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Vartenaal

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id like to bring up the fact that very very few pieces of tank gear have agility on them. if you fomelo the top tanks (ie sald, gonobn, ringo, jenks etc) you will see that only jenks and sald have decent amounts of agility and everybody else is quite a bit below 400. now these are all Top 5 tanks meaning they raid top end content and yet they are unable to reach the necessary and vital tank stat cap. there is like 100pt difference between sta and agility, and dex is also like 50 points ahead of agil. agil is a tank stat, dex is not.

is there a particular reason for this or just chance? if its just chance, id like to request that tank gear be changed a lil in the future, remove some dex from it for balance
 
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Vartenaal said:
id like to bring up the fact that very very few pieces of tank gear have agility on them. if you fomelo the top tanks (ie sald, gonobn, ringo, jenks etc) you will see that only jenks and sald have decent amounts of agility and everybody else is quite a bit below 400. now these are all Top 5 tanks meaning they raid top end content and yet they are unable to reach the necessary and vital tank stat cap. there is like 100pt difference between sta and agility, and dex is also like 50 points ahead of agil. agil is a tank stat, dex is not.

is there a particular reason for this or just chance? if its just chance, id like to request that tank gear be changed a lil in the future, remove some dex from it for balance
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Oversight or no, at least Ringo pays a lot of attention to the AGI he can find. It's just one of those things that you as a player have to be conscious of the same way I am conscious of resists.
 
Manguadi said:
Oversight or no, at least Ringo pays a lot of attention to the AGI he can find. It's just one of those things that you as a player have to be conscious of the same way I am conscious of resists.
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what do you mean he pays attention? for tanks the #1 stat is ac. however, at the overcap level ~3-4 pts of agi=1ac as well, so thats defo an important stat for tanks. but if the choice came down to pure ac VS agi bonus, id choose ac any day
 
Vartenaal said:
what do you mean he pays attention? for tanks the #1 stat is ac. however, at the overcap level ~3-4 pts of agi=1ac as well, so thats defo an important stat for tanks. but if the choice came down to pure ac VS agi bonus, id choose ac any day
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I mean that he will select a certain piece of gear versus a comparable piece because of its agility. I meant to emphasize that having high agility is a choice you make in the same way you plan your gear to get the right focus effects, proper mana, charisma, crit strike, and other things not necessary to your ability to get beat on.

Just because agility is an important stat for your tanking ability doesn't mean it MUST be on lots and lots of tanking gear. If I had to guess I would say it's no more rare than those other secondary stats I listed. At the same time, I think it's likely there are lots of itemization holes in SoD, and the only way you're really going to get this addressed is if you do a survey of tank items across several tiers, and that is entirely on you. I also suspect you could be picky enough to get your agi high if you can stand to deprioritize some other stats.

At least if I was a dev I wouldn't say, "hmm, Vartenaal says his agi isn't that high, let me go research it for him."
 
whining is not what this thread is about. i just noticed that there is quite a big rift between agi (which is a tanking stat) and dex (which is a melee dps stat) on tank gear and wanted to hear some other voices. im not saying "gimme gimme gimme agi and do it now". im just saying this looks a lil weird is all. i will however delve into this gear research you suggested, could yield some interesting results.
 
Vartenaal said:
whining is not what this thread is about. i just noticed that there is quite a big rift between agi (which is a tanking stat) and dex (which is a melee dps stat) on tank gear and wanted to hear some other voices.
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This made me look at the tanks in my guild:

Grimar AGI 400 DEX 406
Cvetkaa AGI 357 DEX 339
Sauga AGI 358 DEX 348

Then I visited Twilight Underground tanks:

Woldaff AGI 438 DEX 372
Jenks AGI 407 DEX 325
Ringo AGI 368 DEX 275
Gonobn AGI 300 DEX 303


These numbers left me thinking "WTF is he even complaining about?", so I moved on to some PR tanks:

Ratkon AGI 363 DEX 358
Vartenaal AGI 337 DEX 384


So yeah, from what I can tell, there is more AGI then DEX on tank gear, and this is a problem (?) that just you seem to encounter. All other tanks have either AGI > DEX or have both very close.
 
Agi is scarce on tank gear.
I noticed this before ringo even was created.

Even with careful gear selection in attempt to maximize my agi, I havn't been able to max my agi, whereas stamina was quite easy. It is simply just an under-implemented stat for tanks.

That being said, there is probably a good 40 or so points of agi I can get w/ some ultra high end upgrades I have my eyes on, but I will still be about 120-140 pts higher on stamina.

This has been something that has been in the back of my mind for some time, but I never attempted to feel out the devs opinions on this matter. However, I dont think this imbalance is intended but rather stems from a lack of recognition that agility isn't scaling enough at the high end.

An easy fix would be to exchange agility for stamina at a 1:1 ratio on some of the peices to help better balance this.



Also vart, as I am assuming you have noticed with your keen eye for agility, tank gear as whole is not completely teired linearly.
 
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I'll pitch in to admit that I used to have a hard time boosting up my agi vs. all three other melee stats, and I have made some sacrifices on items to keep +agi items. It doesn't seem to be a problem now, but if I recall correctly it definitely was a problem back in lower thaz/upper thaz (this was pre-tot release).

I can't comment on whether it's still a problem now, and the fomelo'd tanks certainly don't appear to have issue at the moment, but it might be nice to look at tanks through all the tiers.
 
yes i have noted the fact that its not linear. but the way things are now is even with ultra high end gear its still really hard/impossible to cap it. i dont have the actual numbers but look at jenks for example. i dont know all the sanctum loots obviously, but getting another 70points of agi seems a lil hard to me atm. usually gear doesnt have more than +30 to stats on it and thats rare as it is, upgrading past that seems unlikely. but who knows what ikisith will bring, eh?:) all i can say now is keep on posting sanctum loots on your fomelo so i can hack/steal em later:)
 
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