sorry for delays, let me explain a couple of things, I like the way it is now, still challenging, we did it with 21 people but had the right tactics for it also I bumped the lvl for the raid, everyone was 35+ unlike the past 3 raids we failed i was taking people lvls 32. For those who argue that has been toned too easy, I must say that you were not there, because we still ended up losing like half the raid. Previously we tryed with 35 people, 11 of them healers and lots of DPS and even thou the lvls where low the mob was way too hard for its purpose, we were using tactics compared to planar progression bosses in live. This adepts are not for planar progression, they are for newbies to have some fun and gear up, I think we all had fun and take in consideration that most of the people who attend to this raids are still wearing chain mail gear and empty slots. After failing my first 3 raids on This mob It was VERY hard to get people for the 4th and succesful attempt(lots of people gave up on it). I was really happy after we defeated this beast when cleric that won the tunic replaced a silk robe with it, he earned it because he did a hell of a job. And i believe that is the purpose of Adepts. (sorry about the screenies I will get some more today when we raid it again.