Acumen not affecting stamina - both spell/worn

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stickupkid

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I made a quick parse today, first with enthann mask equipped (which has acumen component in the worn effect, and then in the second run without. I was completely unbuffed, had plenty food/water and waited for full stamina before I did the parses. In a third parse I casted Acumen on myrah and parsed the resulting time again.

with mask
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[Sat Sep 12 14:16:22 2009] Inputting style command...
[Sat Sep 12 14:16:23 2009] Myrah gathers their will into a solid shield.
[Sat Sep 12 14:17:43 2009] Myrah resumes their normal combat stance.
Total time: 1m 20s

without mask
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[Sat Sep 12 14:23:52 2009] Inputting style command...
[Sat Sep 12 14:23:53 2009] Myrah gathers their will into a solid shield.
[Sat Sep 12 14:25:14 2009] Myrah resumes their normal combat stance.
Total time: 1m 21s

without mask + spell acumen
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[Sat Sep 12 14:39:37 2009] Your eyes tingle.
[Sat Sep 12 14:39:40 2009] Inputting style command...
[Sat Sep 12 14:39:41 2009] Myrah gathers their will into a solid shield.
[Sat Sep 12 14:41:09 2009] Myrah resumes their normal combat stance.
Total time: 1m 28s

Result: More or less same time in each parse..
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I already feeled that result, but I wanted to parse it to see if its just a feeling or really doesnt work - and as it looks there is something broken with acumen right now.

This already had been posted sometime in the past about worn acumen only, but no official word has been given and it seems that not only worn acumen is currently broken. Or was the stamina regen component taken out of the spell?
 
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Tests held and confirmed. Worn Acumens stamina component (it lessening the amount of stamina drained) is not working. Looking into it now.
 
Hasn't it been a known issue for ages now that stamina regen effects don't actually do anything.

I mean, I was told that when I started here on SoD and its always seemed to hold true as far as I could tell.
 
stamina regen affects the speed with which stamina is drained from stances. basically it is a modifier for the stamina cost of each stance..

means u loose stamina slower with stamina regen buffs, but dont regain faster
 
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I've done some tests with worn acumen items as well and the results are fairly ambiguous. It might be worth checking to see if they share some of the faulty code.

Also, this is a good time to resolve stacking of worn stamina regen. There are three fervent beliefs on the subject: no stacking, stacking to a certain point, and all stacking. My old tests on this subject were equally ambiguous.
 
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Manguadi said:
I've done some tests with worn acumen items as well and the results are fairly ambiguous. It might be worth checking to see if they share some of the faulty code.
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Er... we're talking about worn acumen items... and I just said the code is a bit faulty...

Manguadi said:
Also, this is a good time to resolve stacking of worn stamina regen. There are three fervent beliefs on the subject: no stacking, stacking to a certain point, and all stacking. My old tests on this subject were equally ambiguous.
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I already did that. If it says it stacks, it is stacking. If it doesn't throw the buff on, it is not stacking. If it is stacking, it works. It gets the drain bonus down pretty low.

Another fun stamina fact
While no stat you can stack that affects stamian regen but level, your regen DOES double while sitting.

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Didn't quite read your stacking thing properly. But since I just stated worn stamina regen does nothing, how would it stack at all? Nothing + Nothing is still nothing.
 
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Zaknafean said:
Er... we're talking about worn acumen items... and I just said the code is a bit faulty...



I already did that. If it says it stacks, it is stacking. If it doesn't throw the buff on, it is not stacking. If it is stacking, it works. It gets the drain bonus down pretty low.

Another fun stamina fact
While no stat you can stack that affects stamian regen but level, your regen DOES double while sitting.

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Didn't quite read your stacking thing properly. But since I just stated worn stamina regen does nothing, how would it stack at all? Nothing + Nothing is still nothing.
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The op mentions sight of enthann. I just wanted to make sure the worn acumen effect also benefits from whatever changes you make. My stacking concern wasn't about worn items though, it was about spells, which you mentioned. I just wanted to make sure that sihala's + empower + acumen + empower = 30 stamina regen. One last thing, it seems like sight of enthann should stack with the 3 stamina buff spells, but the effect worn acumen should not. Yeah?
 
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. I just wanted to make sure that sihala's + empower + acumen + empower = 30 stamina regen.
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Yes, but your number and meaning is wrong, so kinda no. As noted above, nothing affects stamina regen. These abilities affect stamina drain.

Think of it this way.

E = Total 'stamina' you have in your yellow bar now called Endurance (derived from the stamina stat)
Y = The amt of stamina per tick a given style drains
X = The amt of bonus you have from spells like acumen and empower. By default this would obviously have to be 1.0

The formula would be something like...

For any given tick: E = E - (Y * X)

There are obviously more factors involved than just this, but given this simplified example, having say, acumen, would reduce X from 1.0 to < 1.0, meaning your style would last longer because you are draining less E per tick.

So ya they stack, and stack well, but saying '30 points of stamina regen' is very very misleading.
 
From a player's perspective it is pretty much irrelevant to call it reduced stamina drain, and since it is most commonly called stamina regen I just defer to the spell parser. It gives a consistent terminology for everyone to use without changing its effect, but I don't really mean to get into a semantics argument here I just wanted to make sure that you were aware of all the possible cases that modify stamina drain so there wouldn't be unexpected interactions in game.
 
So instead of "regen" it's more like Stamina Conservation (as in similar to Mana Conservation)?
 
That would be a more accurate way to think of it. When resting, 'Stamina Regen' does nothing. It only kicks in when your stamina is draining from a style (and possibly when jumping, but didn't check that and frankly thats not very important).

Much like when it says 'Split Party Health', the parser is misleading in this case.
 
Have you ever figured out how to make worn stamina 'regen' work? I don't think I ever heard the conclusion to this thread if it was announced.

Thanks~
 
Oh I'm sorry. Thought I had somewhere. Whoops!

Ya I figured out worn spells. The whole worn illusion thing I'm experimenting with is a side product of this fix in fact.

Worn acumen works! But only once. If you have a worn acumen bracer, and the Visor of Enthann, they would not stack. But you'd get the greater effect. If I recall my numbers properly, you STILL gain from cast acumen as well. This part is subject to change.
 
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