Zerk Gi vs Other monk chests.

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This is simply a post comparing Zerkotah's Gi from Advisor Zerkotah in NDHK Throne room to other monk chest items that would be worn prior to getting Combine armor. It is my opinion that there is an imbalance, whether it be that the Gi is underpowered or the other options are overpowered (based on the difficulty of obtaining them).

Zekotah's Gi - NDHK TR
30ac
20 str/sta/agi
75hp
20svf

Imp Hide Tunic - Very High difficulty tailored item, but droppable nonetheless
27ac
4str/sta
8agi/dex
85hp
2 to each sv

Damask Leather Tunic - Eldenal's Castle named
34ac
10str/sta/agi
70hp

Elaborate Silk Komono - Mifirah in PoAir
30ac
5str/sta
15agi/dex
100hp
15svm

In my opinion, Zerkotah's Gi is the most difficult monk chest item obtained pre-prison. Imp Hide/Damask can be bought and have comparable stats to the gi, Damask having more AC and slightly less HP and Imp Hide having more raw hp and 3 less ac. Elaborate Silk Komono has the same ac, 25 more raw hp and magic rather than fire resist, and considering stats will be max or close to max as one approaches prison, it can be viewed as superior to the Zerk Gi. However, Mifirah is a much easier encounter than Advisor, and especially with the recent changes to NDHK Trash, it is much easier to get to. Basically in my opinion, Zerkotah's difficulty is much greater than these other options, however it is on par or not up to par with other chest options. Id ask that this just be looked over. Thanks.
 
The tailored and Eldenals BP's do not any saves on them to speak of. The 20SvF and 15SvM of the "raid" level robes are HUGE and instantly makes them the top 2 choices, depending on situation, for any monk who isn't out of their mind.

The differences in physical stats are so slight they really are a non factor and judging an item simply by them is a mistake.
 
The physical stat differences being slight was one of my points. The difficulty in obtaining the Gi is much greater than the other items, yet the benefits gained are small. The droppable bps do have less resists, but id prefer the 15svm over 20svf, and the svm is on the easier of the two robes. Basically, even if the Imp Hide has weaker stats and the droppable two have less resists, they are still too close in quality, and the Komono is still better than the Gi.
 
You forgot the Stormbreaker Leather (the bp that drops off frost king). In my opinion for monks that is the best breasplate before prison.

Stormbreaker Leather :

AC : 30
Str : 10 Sta: 10 Agi : 10 Dex : 20 Wis/Int : 8
Mana/HP : 50
10 vs all.
0.6 weight

This is easily the best obtaineable bp (again in my opinion) pre prison due to the abundance of every stat that a monk uses (melee stats + saves as well as nice ac). The Frost King fight isnt too difficult and if your guild can do TR you can kill the frost king. Also, the frost king has much less competition as more guilds kill dragons over giants. Dont give me the argument about faction because the same argument would apply to zerkotah's gi since you need to ruin your dragon faction in order to obtain it. I used the stormbreaker leather myself for a very long time until I was able to get a combine bp and I would most certainly wear stormbreaker leather over any other pre-prison bps including the ones that you named.

Sorry for the mini derail there. Anyways I think that the gi is very on par with the advisor encounter. The hardest part about the TR is the split. Once you get the dragons single the fights are pretty straightforward. One more thing, Ive been present for plenty of mi'farah kills and I only remember seeing the robe drop once. I have seen zerkotah's gi drop and rot plenty of times so the rarity issue comes into play as well.
 
The thing is, Mi`Farah is so insanely easy for the loot drops he has, we can literally two group or less him(assuming, we haven't killed the mob since Escutcheon first started and the fight lasted no time at all then with 24). You could essenstially obtain a robe that is comparable in stats with half of the force (for us) that is required to kill Advisor, not including the amount of time to kill in, the TR split, etc.
 
Onos and Tapein make valid points about the chest pieces from Mi'Firah and Advisor, Advisor is a long and fairly grueling clear and the pull requires a lot of gear / luck / skill to pull off, pick your combination of the three. Advisor is also a step up on the difficulty scale over Mi'Firah. The Komono is probably a better all around robe imo for a monk, but hey.. what do i know :)
 
Yes but if you nerf the Mi'Firah robe then you have a mob in eldenals who drops a robe significant to one from an early raid encounter and so on and so on, it would make more sense to slightly upgrade the Gi.
 
^^ sorry zhak, deleted my post because it really didnt contribute nothing, didnt think anyone would reply within 30 seconds. =)
 
Jinxat said:
You forgot the Stormbreaker Leather (the bp that drops off frost king). In my opinion for monks that is the best breasplate before prison.

Stormbreaker Leather :

AC : 30
Str : 10 Sta: 10 Agi : 10 Dex : 20 Wis/Int : 8
Mana/HP : 50
10 vs all.
0.6 weight

This is easily the best obtaineable bp (again in my opinion) pre prison due to the abundance of every stat that a monk uses (melee stats + saves as well as nice ac). The Frost King fight isnt too difficult and if your guild can do TR you can kill the frost king. Also, the frost king has much less competition as more guilds kill dragons over giants. Dont give me the argument about faction because the same argument would apply to zerkotah's gi since you need to ruin your dragon faction in order to obtain it. I used the stormbreaker leather myself for a very long time until I was able to get a combine bp and I would most certainly wear stormbreaker leather over any other pre-prison bps including the ones that you named.

Sorry for the mini derail there. Anyways I think that the gi is very on par with the advisor encounter. The hardest part about the TR is the split. Once you get the dragons single the fights are pretty straightforward. One more thing, Ive been present for plenty of mi'farah kills and I only remember seeing the robe drop once. I have seen zerkotah's gi drop and rot plenty of times so the rarity issue comes into play as well.
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1) If you feel Stormbreaker Leather is better than the Gi, and that Gi is on par with its encounter, than by your logic the leather is overpowered for its encounter considering Advisor is a harder clear to/encounter than the frost king.
2) I have seen around 5 robes drop personally, and have been on probably 8-10 mifirah kills. I have seen an increasing amount of them worn by monks, as its an easy raid mob and extremely rewarding in proportion to its risk.
 
The Mi'Farah robe is a tad too powerful vs the Zerkotah Gi, but I'd rather bump the Zerk Gi in a rare rab-doesn't-want-something-nerfed twist.
 
Sorry to bump so soon, but I was just wondering if Xeldan's response was the official one or if this was still in limbo.
 
I was mainly replying to the comparison between Zerkotah and Imp Hide, don't take that as official since I didn't really design those items or the encounters they're from.
 
No need to bump, there's a discussion started in private about this suggestion. If we decide to change it I'll let you know.
 
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