Upper thaz

Manguadi

Manguadi

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I don't think the whole of UT should be claimed as one. I know the primary reason is overlapping scripts, but I think guilds can easily coordinate when they fight bosses to avoid these conflicts. A simple policy would be to roll a dice between two guilds to see who gets to go first in case of conflict.

With the cluster of guilds still raiding UT, and usually as a primary target, locking down 10 encounters with a single raid seems to contribute very negatively to the problem. Because of the immense incentive to raid this area, guilds often will send enough members two-boxing to claim it in its entirety long before scheduled raids begin without making any real progress. This is not an abuse by any means, but it certainly shouldn't be encouraged this much. Lastly, the final encounter in the zone is substantially more difficult than the rest of the zone, and to me, claiming it with the rest of thaz seems odd. It is like claiming flame talon while in djar wing just because you're clearing to the key mob.
 
Upper thaz is locked by one guild because of the final thazeran encounter requiring all wing bosses to be down.

It has been like this for eons, even before Thazern himself was implemented.
 
I guess this is somewhat in the same boat as claiming Well with Farhags. In theory you have to down the one to be able to get to the other. Reality might be diffrent, policy is not.
 
The reason I think it's different than well is because well is on the same tier, and probably easier than parts of farhag. Also, I think the well port is a convenience thing, if it became a problem that people jumped ahead into well it would just be taken out.
 
There's also some problems when multiple encounter scripts are running in upper thaz at the same time. The dice-rolling thing is probably a bad idea because staff would more than likely end up having to step in every time multiple guilds popped in. I like the idea of being able to have multiple guilds raiding encounters in UT at the same time, but it poses a lot of issues that the whole one-raid lockdown avoids.

As far as raiding Thazeran when another guild is raiding a wing of UT, I think that should be avoided. The Thazeran script is pretty packet intensive even for people who aren't zoned into his area. Granted, it doesn't take a lot to lag me out on this crappy satellite connection I have, but if I'm anywhere in the zone when the first Thazeran script starts, I immediately go to 90% packet loss. If the portal is up but a raid is in UT, chances are that only a mini is up and the raid will be departing soon.
 
The same is true of tot. It seems to me the only issue here is script overlap, and that doesn't outweigh problems like claiming 10 encounters with one guild.
 
I've already told you twice now that the only reason for it being a complete lockdown for one guild is because all wing bosses are -required- to be down to open the portal to get to thazeran.

If there are multiple guilds, all in different wings, and you want to kill Thazeran, you would essentially have to sit there and wait for them to wipe/learn the encounters/finish raiding.

To avoid this, the entire area is one lockdown, with thazeran being the final boss.

This has been confirmed by multiple staff members, multiple times, and even by Xelden himself.

If you have an issue with this, look into getting the encounters portal to spawn whenever Thazeran himself is up, and not have it be dependent on all wing bosses.

This is nothing like ToT. Stop comparing it.
 
It is possible to get there without all bosses being down. Thus, the comparison to tot.

Cinn said:
If there are multiple guilds, all in different wings, and you want to kill Thazeran, you would essentially have to sit there and wait for them to wipe/learn the encounters/finish raiding.
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This is the same as when you're not the guild with thaz claimed.
 
Manguadi said:
It is possible to get there without all bosses being down. Thus, the comparison to tot.
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If by "Bosses", you mean minis and bosses, you are right.
If you think of Wing Bosses, you are wrong.

And stop comparing it to ToT, this is not ToT.
 
No, I mean if every mob in all of thaz is up, it's possible to get to thazeran still. I'm comparing it to ToT because of policy precedents.
 
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Cinn said:
It's not supposed to function like that.
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Yes, it is. If you had completed the encounter(s) in question, you would know a little more about the how's and why's, but you haven't, so take it from people who have. You can start and complete the event without all the upper thaz bosses being down, and that IS intended.

The only issue I have with it is parts of the event can leak into other areas, which can cause an issue with multiple raid forces. And while I think it's completely lame that a guild wiping to Glacier or Landslide can block another guild from doing the Thazeran encounter, a precedent has sort of been set with the Well/Farhag. :(
 
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If there is some clicky or port that I am not aware of, that will take you to thazeran, or spawn the portal, without having all wing bosses down, (which is the normal requirements for the portal to spawn) that I apparently don't know about, then yes, there is no reason for all of upper thaz to have a complete lock.

The only leaking issue that I know of that you mentioned involves Lower Fire Boss. I dont know about the second part of the encounter.
 
Cinn said:
If there is some clicky or port that I am not aware of, that will take you to thazeran, or spawn the portal, without having all wing bosses down, (which is the normal requirements for the portal to spawn) that I apparently don't know about, then yes, there is no reason for all of upper thaz to have a complete lock.

The only leaking issue that I know of that you mentioned involves Lower Fire Boss. I dont know about the second part of the encounter.
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This is the case.

Atm, parts of Thazeran's fight influence the rest of the zone. (Sorry Bane!)
 
ITT we cry about one guild locking down UT for an hour or two max, one night a week.

Clearly Tyrone is saying once you kill Thaz, there be a clicky.

And whats with the abundance of posts lately that have jabs at Bane in them? (not complaining)
 
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And whats with the abundance of posts lately that have jabs at Bane in them? (not complaining)
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It's not a jab, they let us share the zone with them and our fight messed with theirs.

If these issues can be fixed I would love for UT to be split into claimable wings, or at LEAST the 4 UT wings and Thaz himself separated since they aren't even on the same tier.
 
If you know that part of Thazeran's encounter screws with parts of upper thaz, then you shouldn't even ask for them to be claimed separately as you are aware that will cause issues. As I understand it, those issues are why UT has been claimed as a whole from the beginning.

If those issues were not there, it would be a different situation.
 
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