The Truth about SoD, Wiz, and the "GM club" Legacy

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Alicia

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The following was a conversation on IRC last night between folks who have played on SoD(W I N T E R ' S R O A R) since the beginning(over 2 years). This conversation was in response to our guild leader being banned from the server for pointing out an administrator's mistake.

[22:11] <Person1> legacy is the antichrist
[22:11] <Person2> Legacy = raiding w/ exploits
[22:11] <Person4> using GM commands?
[22:11] <Person1> legacy = gms and asshole egos
[22:11] <Person2> We however question possible exploits and avoid doing them.
[22:12] <Person1> Legacy NEVER get scrutized
[22:12] <Person1> scrutinized even
[22:12] <Person4> does wiz simply not care about his own GMs shitting up his server or something?
[22:13] <Person1> most of them are guilty of EVERYTHING wiz claims lokdar did to get banned 10x over
[22:13] <Person3> he didn't hire them
[22:13] <Person1> melwin is
[22:13] <Person1> zhak is
[22:13] <Person2> Zhak all the way
[22:13] <Person1> darkyth is wherever the fuck he is now
[22:14] <Person1> half their characters were geared on us while they were in ruin
[22:14] <Person3> i lasted one week as a GM, until i saw what everyone was doing and saying and getting away with
[22:14] <Person2> Just pathetic to cheat to win on a supposedly legit server
[22:14] <Person4> what the hell? how hard is it to implement a GM command log?
[22:14] <Person3> they have one
[22:14] <Person4> so wiz just doesn't really care about it?
[22:15] <Person3> apparently not
[22:15] <Person1> wiz and melwin STARTED the server for the most part
[22:15] <Person1> Melwin is THE CORE of the servers problems. Always was always will be
[22:16] <Person1> We ultimatumed him a year ago to get rid of him but he is still here
[22:16] <Person1> when our original raid core quit in protest for their shit
[22:16] <Person2> The whole alibi of 'finding' exploits just shouldn't fly
[22:16] <Person1> thats what melwin does best
[22:16] <Person1> thats how he got his job
[22:16] <Person1> btw
[22:17] <Person1> iydk
[22:18] <Person5> iydk?
[22:18] <Person4> christ, i thought the sod leadership was actually competent
[22:18] <Person1> if you didnt know
[22:18] <Person2> in case you dind't know
[22:18] <Person2> eh close enough =P
[22:19] <Person1> the couple months we ran melwin off and legacy and nightfall/PR were defenct were the best times this server ever saw
[22:19] <Person2> Part of the reason I never cared for the GM invite position extended
[22:19] <Person2> doing petitions or not.
[22:19] <Person1> And you could never ASK to be a gm
[22:20] <Person1> I could do petitions and help people
[22:20] <Person1> all fucking day long
[22:20] <Person2> laff
[22:20] <Person1> but it seems just about everyone he picked to be a gm was a complete tool or another one of melwins assholes
[22:20] <Person3> hey, now..
[22:21] <Person9> Except Person3.
[22:21] <Person1> and mot of them left ruin, the few that were picked, and either went nuetral or joined legacy
[22:21] <Person3> i got accused of being too loyal to ruin as a GM
[22:21] <Person4> haahahaha
[22:22] <Person4> as opposed to a guild being fucking run by a server administrator?
[22:22] <Person3> yeah, really
[22:22] <Person5> Person3, are you quitting too?
[22:22] <Person7> they don't care
[22:22] <Person3> i already practically have
[22:22] <Person7> about the command log
[22:22] <Person1> Should have been here for Guardians of the Winter
[22:22] <Person1> melwins original guild
[22:23] <Person1> They had like 12+ gms, EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM
[22:23] <Person1> even wiz
[22:23] <Person1> Yes, wiz
[22:23] <Person7> i tought wiz alot about how to code too.
[22:24] <Person4> sounds kinda like the entire server is just a big GM circle jerk
[22:24] <Person2> aeonrising sounds promising 8)
[22:24] <Person3> oh yes, definitely, Person2
[22:24] <Person7> =)
[22:24] <Person4> aeonrising?
[22:25] <Person9> —› topic: (WE CIRCLE JERK ALL DAY LONG!)
[22:26] <Person2> http://www.aeonrising.com/
[22:26] <Person9> sod server, #awesome_fags
[22:26] <Person9> but raherin's cool 8)
[22:26] <Person2> Person7, Person3, and others' game
[22:27] <Person2> DT is a sunken ship that never will leave it's port.
[22:28] <Person9> mm I'll brb
[22:28] <Person9> going out to my friend's house
[22:28] <Person9> See you all later!
[22:28] <Person3> later
[22:28] <Person1> there be pirates and its booty is taken right now thorough
[22:35] <Person11> i wonder if this will be a good excuse for me not doing the work i was supposed to do tonight :-/
[22:57] <Person6> i see they finally made steam not retarded =D
[22:58] <Person7> steam won't run on my system anymore
[22:58] <Person7> =p
[22:59] <Person6> lol
[23:00] <Person6> also it seems to go much faster with updates 291k/s =D
[23:08] <Person2> I dunno if Traul was and if the only spy.
[23:09] <Person7> is ruin continuing?
[23:10] <Person2> The officers are being replaced at least.
[23:10] <Person1> undetermined
[23:14] <Person2> amazing the 1343+ hits that thread has gotten w/in hrs
[23:14] <Person1> wiz didnt even let us finish it
[23:15] <Person1> he had to have the last word
[23:15] <Person1> probably told that unimportant quest monkey to close it so he didnt appear to be an asshole
[23:15] <Person2> I really don't understand why he couldn't just toss us some loot...
[23:16] <Person1> he's a prick
[23:16] <Person1> Thats why
[23:16] <Person2> eh
[23:17] <Person1> he could have said "sorry man" my mistake but he had to roll with breakers over enthusiasm
[23:17] <Person1> had to let his ego and attitude get involved.
[23:17] <Person1> he already knew how breaker reacts and how he would react. it was no surprise to him
[23:18] <Person1> He likes to play god.
[23:18] <Person2> true...
[23:18] <Person1> This is his maze and we are his guine (sp) pigs
[23:19] <Person2> awww I miss my childhood pet
[23:19] <Person1> he is the kind of person who likes to drop rocks ina ocean and see the waves they make
[23:19] <Person1> or pull the legs off a grasshopper and drop it in an ant hill
[23:19] <Person2> ha
[23:20] <Person1> After all "he doesn't owe us poppysocks"

I will probably get banned just for posting this. I've spent hundreds of hours on this server leveling 8 alts up to 45-65, but I'm risking all of that right here and now simply because I'm one step away from quitting this server out of shear disgust. The shameless corruption, lying, indifference, and contempt from Melwin's little club is intolerable. Wiz' infallible ability to look the other way is heartbreaking. Wiz, Zodium and the Legacy bots will probably label the above as unsubstantiated lies...or simply delete this post all together. That's fine.

Why am I posting this? It's simply the vain hope that someone capable of fixing these problems will look themselves in the mirror and make a decision to be honest with us.
 
I've had a lot of laughs over the whole "Legacy is A GM CONSPIRACY" myth. You know we called ourselves The Conspiracy for a good while to mock that? Fun stuff. It's perfectly silly. There is no GM club, no conspiracy, no Tom Clancy plot to be found. Legacy has had loot taken away on multiple occasions, notably Seductress (edit: and that was on the server first kill) and Zirvane and that's just recently. I personally hold Legacy to as high a standard as anyone else - probably higher, given that I have a much easier time seeing when they are being lamers. The same goes for Wiz.

The reason your mythical Legacy conspiracy is so funny is because there simply can't be one. I haven't played actively for months, and neither has Liam. Honch is the only highly active Legacy member who is also a GM. How can it be a GM conspiracy with only one possible member? It makes no sense.

You won't be banned, but there is noone capable of fixing these "problems" because they exist only in your head. If you leave, then I'm sorry to hear that, but we refuse to bow down to pressure from what borders on a group of individuals suffering from clinical paranoia.

Also, hello Person3/Xikzasil and Person7/Zipher.
 
Man, at one point PR had at least three fully active GMs in the guild.

Why did no one scream hell mary when that was going on?
 
Please don't call Killspree/Xeldan an "unimportant quest monkey." He's done the most for this server and taken the least out of more than anyone except Wiz.
 
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Re: The Truth about SoD, Wiz, and the "GM club" Le

Alicia said:
[22:35] <Person11> i wonder if this will be a good excuse for me not doing the work i was supposed to do tonight :-/

It's me! :eek:


This was from a private chat and has no business being on this board imo, it's pretty obvious who some of the other people were and i highly doubt they gave their permission for it to be posted either.

I pretty much have no comment on its content here, or I guess as you see in the chat, but would prefer this thread removed.
 
It's sad how no one ever takes the time to really think about the staff and in particular the admins. It isn't like they are payed high wages by the hour to sit in front of their computer GMing for all of your problems day in and day out. They are people too. Sometimes mistakes will happen, personalities definately come through, etc. However, I hate to see so many people bashing their dedication to this server. Don't read what a select few people are calling corruption and then go and believe it for truth.

Lies spread like wildfire by people who choose to believe them.
 
wow, not really sure how the whole Legacy is the devil dicussion got spured. Pretty sure this all started out as a simple mistake did it not? Legacy didnt spawn that mobbie, and legacy sure didnt make it not drop loot. In fact i had the pleasure of joining Legacy on a raid this last weekend. We went into storm's eye and killed down to where the sleeper was on live. To get down there we had to make it past many mobbies that were 4x hitting for 1k +. All to find what you might ask? Nothing, there was a big empty room. I might not have been paying the most attention but i am pretty sure they didnt get any loot from the empty room. A GM came and said that yes this area wasnt finished and what did Legacy do? They moved on and were happy to go get loot else where. Seems to me if everyone bowed down to them they would have gotten a mobbie spawned or maybe even some free loot for their time. I understand you might have had some ill experiences with people that MIGHT have been in a guild but that doesnt make the whole guild evil. If there are exploits going on and such that is sad but i for one dont think that Legacy has gotten where it is from GM commands and help. To see them in action and see how organized they are they deserve what they have. Not trying to take sides here, just trying to stop the "Everyone hate Legacy" ideals that are floating around now. It seems that Ruins leader had a lot of bannable offences, should we assume that all of the members of ruin also like to break the rules? It seems unfair to judge a guild as a whole baised on one or 2 persons actions. That is assuming that somethign corrupt has been happening because i really couldnt say ither way.

/shrug


-Kykle

Yeah you know me, i am that enchanter that is always asking for dots.
 
They knew there was nothing back there but unitemized mobs. They've been spawned for months.
 
This post just further puts me off to bothering with end game content in a game that I enjoy playing over all the many other online rpg's I have tried. The ridiculousness of the bickering, fighting, backstabbing, and just absolute BS that comes from the high end guilds in this game puts me off. I love playing SoD, but I refuse to play a game where I would end up stressed out because people take this as real life and not just the game it is supposed to be and then turn around and act like a bunch of crazed monkeys fighting for "loot" that is not real and has no real value. I am sooo fed up with hearing about spies, and cheats, and stupidness that it's not funny, totally reminds me of my daughters, 11 and 13, fighting over the most ridiculous thing possible to fight over. They do this all the time, and I most certainly wouldn't get involved in their fights and I sure as shit won't get involved in similiar fights with strangers.
"Waaa you took my elastic, I wanted to use it."
"13 year old flings elastic at 11 year old."
"OMG, I am sooo telling Mom on you, you're gonna be grounded, you knew I wanted that elastic." and on and on, and yes just insert mob in place of elastic:
Guild1: Waaa you took my mob, I wanted to kill it.
Guild2: Taunts Guild1 with uber loots from mob.
Guild1: OMG, I am sooo telling Wiz, you're gonna be banned, you knew we were gonna kill that mob.
And this is like a typical session between say, Legacy and Ruin, totally childish. And it continues with omg, we have a spy, they found out we were going to kill that mob,or they used GM powers to find out we were gonna kill that mob etc., just like the 11 year old imagined that the 13 year old knew she wanted to play with the elastic.
Sounds the same every time, it's ridiculous and in order to play the high end of the game I would have to then put myself not only in real life with my girls, but in a pastime with other kids acting just like my girls, no friggin way. So in order not to have RL events happen in my favorite pastime I end up getting chars to lvl 40/50 and starting new ones over and over again, I just refuse to get involved with this crap.
So please, unless you want to discuss the game and how it's played don't shit up the forums with childish bickering, use PMs or something, most of us don't want to be involved in this crap. Most of the time I just ignore it,as I do my daughters when they fight over stupidity, but this time I just had to get it off my chest, because lately it's gotten way out of hand.
 
Duma said:
They knew there was nothing back there but unitemized mobs. They've been spawned for months.
The only post that actually makes sense and could possibly be a shifting argument for your cause. Congratulations, you have become better at arguing over the internet (20)!

No seriously, if Ruin didn't know the mobs didn't have shit on them, how did Legacy? And why didn't Legacy try to take them out before? They are by far the superior guild in terms of man power and equipment.
 
The mob we killed was NEW you moron. It just appeared this week or so because the trigger was put in by accident and it appeared to be fully working even though it seemed a bit weak for being "shojars Avatar". Very predictable AE, lightish dps, and a shitload of hp. And as far as my knowledge went on the subject I HEARD Liam told Ruin that Wiz would compensate us for it EVEN THOUGH I didn't expect to receive a damn thing because the encounter seemed a little underwhelming for it's targeted area.

The mobs Legacy was toying around with after they used non-legacy members to lock the zone and kill Dergalak were mobs that have been there for months. Ruin new about them, Legacys leaders knew about them. I was in there with Ravina when she was tracking the zone and testing hits on the upper floor mobs when Ruin was the only guild with the sack to even attempt that stuff.

So please continue making a fool of yourself.
 
There is also the fact that Wiz stated A LONG TIME AGO that Avatar of Shojar was in the game and "I don't care if you people zerg Avatar of shojar etc etc I just don't care anymore" back [some time ago]


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If you're going to tinfoil about GM corruption, I'll allow it this once, but keep it on topic without being overly dramatic. Don't start flaming people, and don't bring up things that aren't on topic, such as banned people.
 
As I've expressed here before, I find all the drama going on between Legacy and Ruin to be rather amusing and childish. While ordinarily I would consider it worthy of little more than mockery (yes, on both sides), I'll try to keep that out of this post.

Instead, I'm just going to ask one thing. Is there actually a demonstrable case for a GM/Legacy conspiracy?
 
Hasrett said:
Instead, I'm just going to ask one thing. Is there actually a demonstrable case for a GM/Legacy conspiracy?

There is no case wherein, in any pretend or real world, it's even remotely possible to get a good answer to this question in this thread. This isn't a public protest against the evil empire wherein the plucky lad, played by Harrison Ford, defeats mighty Man "The Man" Mannerson in one on one internet battle. It's a family server wherein we're all on the same "free everquest without soe" team, and if a player has concerns, it's that player's responsibility to see them out in private, and it's the staff's responsibility to make sure the system is designed such that grievences can be fairly heard without putting too many hurdles in place for an aspiring whisteblower to vault. Notice how there's no "make a big thread about stuff" step.

Additionally:

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NERD RAGE
 
Well you know, Person4 said it -- so it must be true.


P.s. - I truly pity you all and your endless dramamongering. You people need to sort out the shit in your lives, you know who you are. Grow up.
 
I'm just going to post once in response to this thread and you can take what I say with a grain of salt if you'd like.

There are ways to find out if there is GM abuse in the ways you are suggesting(obviously you're suggesting they're using GM commands to defeat mobs). We don't have to be watching them personally to find out they did such a thing, it's easily trackable. So if people are even considering doing it, I really suggest you don't.

Also Legacy certainly didn't look like a group of GM abuse exploiters last night when mobs in Prison handed them their ass several times over.

You have to come up with some pretty substantial evidence to back your claims, just saying "GM abuse omg!!!!!" isn't nearly enough. Give us names and dates and I'll check the logs personally to see.

- Quest monkey signing out.
 
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