The Eternal Well

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You can troll up and down this forum as long as your posting relevant things. (What I mean is constantly tearing down a certain persons ideas with points or examples, not going RAWRIHATEYOUNOWGODIE, followed by a sentence that is on topic)

There are certainly people here who dislike other individuals enough to argue against them on any topic, even if they agree with that persons opinion.

As far as this thread is concerned, I already voiced my opinion.

Random suggestion: Farhanniath drops a key/stone/idol of some sort that must be presented to the mob in Well to start the event. The resulting ring from defeating Well can be used in this key/stone/idols place. This fixes the flagging issues, where it requires the guild have killed the flag mob in Farhags to be able to fight the event in Well, to be able to progress to Generals. Once Well is defeated, its the same as it is now, click the ring, show up behind the well all regal like and zone right in without clearing anything.
 
kibeth said:
Random suggestion: Farhanniath drops a key/stone/idol of some sort that must be presented to the mob in Well to start the event. The resulting ring from defeating Well can be used in this key/stone/idols place. This fixes the flagging issues, where it requires the guild have killed the flag mob in Farhags to be able to fight the event in Well, to be able to progress to Generals. Once Well is defeated, its the same as it is now, click the ring, show up behind the well all regal like and zone right in without clearing anything.
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This.

1.) Require a flag to start the script.
2.) Make the encounter more difficult (speed the script up, etc).

Both of which will deter guilds from attempting to skip Farhanniath and the other bosses, even in the rare scenarios...
 
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Weird I remember some months ago Numinous using a Well ring to get past fiends. I think some Ruin guy used it for them. Now at least we won't refrain to do the same !

Anyway as Ratkon says, do you guys seriously think we have no lust for Farhanniath ? we're not skipping him intentionally, and yeah we'll try him again for sure. He is way too important to just forget about him. But no, he doesn't block the way to the Well, this precise part was already objected by Nwaij when we first entered Farhag and found everything empty up to the well - and it was denied.

Now Eustace tries it again, because for once you guys did not do everything possible to block us. That's not our problem. Btw people should care about us as much as we care about them, everything'd be much better.

I see why you guys would feel bad about this , but frankly with the competition lately, just don't do any mistake, don't leave anything up cause you can't expect anything to be up the morning after. You guys took profit of our numerous mistakes in the past, yesterday was a pay back. And this give&take situation will just continue, specially with the new spawn randomizer, so pretty please, live with it.
 
Well was not up or we would have done that as well. Honestly I can see how people are hurt about it but honestly I do understand both sides. I do think that this should have a flag to spawn just like it was made so you can not skip corefire.
 
Dzillon said:
Weird I remember some months ago Numinous using a Well ring to get past fiends. I think some Ruin guy used it for them. Now at least we won't refrain to do the same !

Anyway as Ratkon says, do you guys seriously think we have no lust for Farhanniath ? we're not skipping him intentionally, and yeah we'll try him again for sure. He is way too important to just forget about him. But no, he doesn't block the way to the Well, this precise part was already objected by Nwaij when we first entered Farhag and found everything empty up to the well - and it was denied.

Now Eustace tries it again, because for once you guys did not do everything possible to block us. That's not our problem. Btw people should care about us as much as we care about them, everything'd be much better.

I see why you guys would feel bad about this , but frankly with the competition lately, just don't do any mistake, don't leave anything up cause you can't expect anything to be up the morning after. You guys took profit of our numerous mistakes in the past, yesterday was a pay back. And this give&take situation will just continue, specially with the new spawn randomizer, so pretty please, live with it.
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Numinous never skipped the fiend via a well ring. In fact, "some Ruin guy" you're referencing here didn't get a Well ring with Ruin. He got it with Exodus. So nyah.

Obviously, you guys never beat Farhanniath despite multiple attempts because you're retarded, and you now get a ring to skip him because you need a handicap, like in golf or bowling. (Golf and bowling are both sports you play in the real world that allow suck-ass players to compete with people who play well by adding or deducting points based on how much they suck on average. For instance, with an appropriate handicap I, a person who is disabled due to severe spinal injury and unable to drive a ball, could potentially beat Tiger Woods. [Tiger Woods is a professional golfer. That means he's paid to play against other people who are paid to play.])

I like how you state here Dzillon, that the very first time you guys ever went to Farhags it was clear up to the Well, and you tried to go in but Exodus was already there. It's pretty fucked up that you admit to trying to go straight from Mephar to the Well without ever killing anything in Farhags - that hypothetical situation I laid out earlier turned out to be not-so-hypothetical.

Woldaff, it would be very easy to remedy this. It wouldn't even take 30 seconds to fix it. It's as simple as earlier stated - All you have to do is say "Stay the fuck out of the Well if you haven't killed Farhanniath." Then again, you shouldn't even have to say that.

If you have not beaten all of the Tribes that Tarhyl the Flame Lord crafted from the fire elementals that followed him after he betrayed the other fire spirits and declared himself a god, then you should not be allowed in the prison Tarhyl keeps his enemy fire spirits in. You sure as shit shouldn't be up in Generals. This is common sense. Anyone else in the game who wasn't both gimp and gear hungry OR had the slightest smiggle of self-respect would not have done what PR did.

If it was MY call, I'd have been all over PR like lice on a hippie. There wouldn't have been a need for revoking loot or rings - I would've punted them out of the Well and told them not to come back in until they had beaten Farhanniath. If you are incapable of defeating the tribes, you should not have the Mark of the Well.

Enough said on that. Phoenix Rising as a guild is now on my shady players list, and I will not associate with any of you. PR - you should be able to see that something is up when people who normally do absolutely nothing but flame me actually agree with me.
 
Eustace said:
Woldaff, it would be very easy to remedy this. It wouldn't even take 30 seconds to fix it. It's as simple as earlier stated - All you have to do is say "Stay the fuck out of the Well if you haven't killed Farhanniath." Then again, you shouldn't even have to say that.
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This is probably key. If he wanted to change it, it would take about 30 seconds. Maybe he has intentions to after your arguments, maybe not, but this thread has expired twice over as far as I'm concerned. Locking it.
 
There is a difference between proclaiming a single instance of this type of thing against the rules and being able to make a comprehensive policy.

I am not about to make a singular ruling on a situation when the situation not only does not warrant it but is actually no different than any other "free clear key mob" situation that has been and will continue to be allowed. The only reason you see this as any different than guild X getting corefire killed for them is that there is a zone line between farhag boss and the well and mister farhag gives you an unrelated flag.

Moral of the story: Don't clear shit for other guilds unless you do not mind them sniping the shit cleared to. We are not putting in "you can only come here when its already cleared if you have done all the cleared mobs before" bullshit. If you can not see how badly a policy like that would turn out then you need to think harder about it.
 
Thread closed. Whether you like the ruling or not, dont take your whining to the global channels again, or I will silence you.
 
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