Spiritual Bliss Duration Increase

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neonovas

Dalayan Adventurer
yeah...posting it again.
Request:
Change spiritual bliss to 60 or 72 minutes in duration.

Reason:
The current 45 is not long enough to keep a soul bond cast of it active without max out his duration AAs (+30%) and get at least duration 6 (+30%) to get a 72 minute Spiritual Bliss. Possible, but not likely for most beastlords. A change to 60 would make it possible for a beastlord with +20% duration making it much easier for a 72 minute duration from a mix of AAs/duration increment items. 72 of course, would make neither one necessary.

There are a few older threads about this:
http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showthread.php?t=12787&
Where a dev says mage DS was made longer to make SB useful.

The other 2 classes (Druid/Shaman) who get a lot of group/raid buffs, all except 1 (lv64 DS) last at least 60 minutes.

this was like 3/4 done and then i got a group and forgot where i was going...oh well.
 
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tbh, i've never heard a good reason as to why this hasn't been changed. I don't play a bst so I may have overlooked something in the past, but it should be at least 72 min, unless there is some client restriction preventing this.
 
As far as I know, beastlord buffs are short duration partially to help carve a niche out for them in raids and exp groups. Personally, I find it tedious to have to deal with and I think it makes sense to have the duration increased on SB (and SV).

I support.
 
Tyvec-a-tron said:
As far as I know, beastlord buffs are short duration partially to help carve a niche out for them in raids and exp groups. Personally, I find it tedious to have to deal with and I think it makes sense to have the duration increased on SB (and SV).

I support.
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yeah like he said 72 minutes when your raid is 2-4 hours you're still gonna have a beastlord for the buff, not to mention cunning/savagery, which are the 2 when i think of as "short duration" buffs.


SV already lasts 72 minutes. While it lasting longer would be nice it's already long enough to keep up soulbond so i'm not going to complain.
 
neonovas said:
There are a few older threads about this:
http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showthread.php?t=12787&
Where a dev says mage DS was made longer to make SB useful.
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This was because DS is the ONLY raid buff mages get that soulbond would be useful for. BLs also get SV, which already lasts the full SB duration so it's not quite the same argument.

That said, I don't see a good reason not to make this change to help raids with multiple BLs.
 
Even if i was the only beastlord i'd much rather SB Bliss than SV since more classes are going to be using it.


This was because DS is the ONLY raid buff mages get that soulbond would be useful for. BLs also get SV, which already lasts the full SB duration so it's not quite the same argument.
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The angle i was going for was:
A spell was already changed to make the duration longer than Soul bond CD; albeit it was their only raid/group buff so it is not quite the same.
However, other classes (druid/shaman/ench) already have multiple group/raid spells that the duration is either longer than or easily able to get duration inc aa/item(60 minute base).

So whats wrong with changing the duration to make it easily soulbound? It has been done before under slightly different circumstances and the 3 other "buffing classes", which the BST is, already have multiple buffs to Soulbound.
 
This is precisely the reason I have waited until now (500+ AAs) to even consider getting Souldbond... without Spiritual Bliss lasting at least 60 min, Soulbound is basically a pointless AA for a beastlord to have. With the addition of Call to Battle, just about everyone (except the occasional whining ranger) prefers SSS to SV, so doing a soul bound SV just for the pets that die is a waste.
 
Luthien said:
This is precisely the reason I have waited until now (500+ AAs) to even consider getting Souldbond... without Spiritual Bliss lasting at least 60 min, Soulbound is basically a pointless AA for a beastlord to have.
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It's not "pointless". Even without mods 45 mins is more than 60% of the 72 min soulbond timer. It would save you recasting it 60% of the time. Not as important? Maybe so. But certainly not pointless.
 
"Pointless" was used for dramatic effect. Its not the first AA a beastlord bothers to get as it is far less useful when the most requested buff doesn't last long enough to make it very beneficial.
 
yeah its not worth getting for a while for me since pretty much 2 people (me and a ranger) would even use the buff out of 18 people. Sometimes the monk, but he usually gets SSS for pulling. And of course on raids without a paladin, but since the best AAd/Geared tank in my guild and the guy i usually group with a lot plays a paladin...isn't very often for myself.

Of course how many people want SV depends on the raid set up, but you figure only BST/RNG/ROG and some monks (depends if they want extra hp for pulls) are going to use it. Bliss on the other hand is a much more wanted buff, pretty much any wis/int caster needs it and most hybrids will use it as well since there are no stacking problems. Can't be anymore imbalanced than a 3-5 hour JB/KEI for mana regen hehe.

I'd probably get it pretty soon (i'm at 100AAs) if bliss was changed but right now i'm getting it after my defensive AAs.
 
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