Shrink in OP

ryutakin

ryutakin

Dalayan Beginner
Is there any specific reason shrink can't be used in this zone? This is an entirely too wrong inconvenience, especially when there is no enchanter present. I would like to know if it is possible if shrink could just be made useable. Seems like if you dont have a dwarf ring then your raid is doomed to crampedness and not being able to reach things. Especially when hugging walls.

It would be just splendid if I could shrink in OP.
 
Still can if gnomed anyways so why not just bring back shrink if we promise to be law abiders?
 
multiple illusions already get you through the gate.. why not just let shrink be used? people will already break the rules with or without shrink by simply bringing an enchanter.. restricting shrink doesn't stop bypassing in the slightest
 
This is just a major inconvenience. Grizlor, please try not to word it like that. After recent times fusion is going extra crazy to make sure we dont bend any rules.

To say again this is just a major annoyance and provides nothing but adding more time to illusion wait for recast then continue illusions. Aswell though, if an enchanter is not present/dead it means a gigantic bear is there in the middle of a hallway blocking LoS for so many. Allowing shrink in the zone would change nothing but make this great inconvenience go away.

Much appreciated if so.
 
All it takes is one enchanter with gnome earring... and i have practically never seen any around that didnt have it...

maimai gnomespam :(
 
Or just have Taeshlin only respond to characters holding the key for each encounter, that way even if someone does bypass a locked gate without doing the previous encounter theyre out of luck. That is possible, right?
 
Jun said:
Or just have Taeshlin only respond to characters holding the key for each encounter, that way even if someone does bypass a locked gate without doing the previous encounter theyre out of luck. That is possible, right?
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Well, that is possible... i mean, the spirit at the entrance requires you to have your Prison key with you when you want to make Combine!
 
he's got a good point... theres about 8 ways i can think of offhand to sploit past the gates, i don't see why having a 9th thats incredibly convenient would be a huge problem.
 
I beleive it is still an entire inconvenience. Think it's a good idea to look toward's jun idea. Can we get some response from a staff member? Not being able to shrink is just far too much of inconvenience. It doesn't stop rule breakers it only hurts law abiding raiders.
 
iaeolan said:
indeed
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we raided last night without an enchanter, so the whole illusion thing is moot.

The point is, it's terribly inconvenient to have huge pets and PCs in Prison's tiny little hallways, and the espoused reason for no shrink, which is to prevent content skipping by running under gates, doesn't make very much sense since you can skip past them with small-race illusions anyways. The only thing that prevents someone intent on running past the gates is fear of getting caught breaking the rules, not the ban on shrink.

Even if you were raiding with an enchanter, its 18 casts (plus X huge pets) of an illusion from them, vs 3 casts of group shrink from a shaman. It's very much a convenience change but I see no reason why it shouldn't happen.
 
robopirateninja said:
Even if you were raiding with an enchanter, its 18 casts (plus X huge pets) of an illusion from them, vs 3 casts of group shrink from a shaman. It's very much a convenience change but I see no reason why it shouldn't happen.
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Etos earring is instaclick

Hell, anybody w/ the dwarf ring could have shrunk the pets
 
robopirateninja said:
The point is, it's terribly inconvenient to have huge pets and PCs in Prison's tiny little hallways
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Utilize the larger areas for pull spots. Then you only have to be crammed in a small hallway once, and it's not terrible.
 
Jun said:
Utilize the larger areas for pull spots. Then you only have to be crammed in a small hallway once, and it's not terrible.
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Some areas you have to fight things in corners and such and when you have X number of melees it's ridiculous having them pile on top of each other to attack a mob.
 
I think the clear solution to this is just ban all ogres, trolls, and barbarians.

(I agree with the folks saying that since the gates are already exploitable, and since it's already a bannable offense to exploit them, shrink should be allowed in the zone unless there's some other reason for preventing it that hasn't been brought up)
 
Or just pull everything out to the main area or area before manis. ;)

Still I guess shrink couldn't hurt.
 
I can only think of 1 area that shrink would be a benefit, and that is going to motg. Other than that it's pointless.

And if you dont have an enchanter on the raid for eto earring click, you seem to have bigger problems than having shrink will solve.
 
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