Shadowknight Tome 3

[Moraelintz]

I really liked the idea of a combat innate that gives mana much like the tears of the crusader for paladins, but since it has been shot down what about.

Tap Mastery
Increases the effectiveness of tap type spells.

I was thinking 12.5/25/37.5/50% increase. Numbers can be adjusted as required.

For clarification the spells in mind would be line of spells:
Vortex of Death
Shroud of Nightmare
Touch of the Succubus

 

[Otcho]

I don't think the effectiveness of vortex has been an issue for this class and as a whole increasing the effect of them is kind of insanely dull as a tome. Woo 20 more attack on succubus in a game where buffslots are limited and get people mad at you for casting it if you can find a spell gem to put it on half the time. I guess the spellblock cmd made it nicer though since rogues dont get drive by hit by vortex anymore.

 

[Erude1]

That's actually a really cool idea since SK's go OOM a lot and are like the only class I have to wait on to get mana in high end groups

 

[Moraelintz]

It is not just the mana its the ac from the other too and the decreased stamina drain as well. The attack is more for the dudes that like big attack numbers. Looking at you Draoes.

 

[Otcho]

It is not just the mana its the ac from the other too and the decreased stamina drain as well. The attack is more for the dudes that like big attack numbers. Looking at you Draoes.

The stamina effect on succubus is 2, assuming spelltips are right thats 2% effectiveness and the smallest impact in the entire game on your stamina costs. I guess maybe its more effective than fleeting fury.

I actually really like the idea of increasing mana effectiveness. Having a tome that gave an empowered soul shroud that gave you mana restoration even if only on yourself or something like you suggested would be cool. But spending 200 aa's or whatever it would be to have the 4th rank done to get a slight increase of power on succubus seems really really boring and lackluster.

I can however sympathize a lot with using tons of mana

 

[Moraelintz]

Also, Vortex is more for the groupmates than for us. We only get a benefit of 25 mana for the entire duration of the spell.

 

[Otcho]

Also, Vortex is more for the groupmates than for us. We only get a benefit of 25 mana for the entire duration of the spell.

I get that we barely gain any mana from it, but it doesn't change the fact that vortex is already one of the best spells in the game. Not trying to shit on your ideas or anything but I think minor statistical increase tomes are really bland and isn't the best route to making shadowknights a better class.

 

[Moraelintz]

I can however sympathize a lot with using tons of mana

My original idea was a mana tap very similair to the crusader tome for paladins just at a much lower rate. My idea was innate tap for 2/5/7/10 group mana tap at about the same rate as crusader

 

[Otcho]

Just give me a mana healing stance that I can only use once every 30 minutes like some ghetto version of gather mana and I'm happy. Spend mana to get mana what an awful idea.


If you want to restore mana maybe you should go about it in a round about way like having sublimate/bull proc mana heals instead of the knight directly. Since SOD is a land of forbidden uniqueness where we cant have similar things to other classes (RIPDRUIDS).

 

[Moraelintz]

Maybe add an innate mana tap of 10/20/30/40 would be a pretty cool idea too.

 

[Otcho]

I really wish slaariel or some other cool dev added that cool idea where sublimate soul would give you a chance to spawn a temporary junk pet to actually use our first tome without doing janky shit like using a farhag belt because nobody sane actually summons a skeleton with a 10 second cast time. Fixing random awkward things like this appeals a lot to me.

 

[Moraelintz]

I like using Greater Rod of Animation to summon pets, its on a 2min pet resummon cooldown.

 

[Otcho]

Yeah I use the farhag belt which is close enough for me, but its still dumb that we have to use clickies to utilize a tome in an effective manner. Having a nice spell like sublimate or runic spear capable of summoning a pet would make it a lot more fluid and nice. I clearly need to upgrade to a greater wand now though.

 

[ThomasTheTrain]

I've mostly had to stop using vortex because windblaze proc blocks it from landing on mobs.
Nightmare and succubus suffer from dubious worth, lack of spell gems/buff slots, and various stacking issues(natureward, vah).

I'd like to see Focused Hate have something like a 2k per rank mana return for the sk. As silly as this was when you could triple ht, the current form is rather underwhelming for the cost.

Servant Training looks terrible. The very premise of this tome line annoyed the hell out of me.
Then I activated the second book and went on a ride of discovery and adventure where no man had gone before. This tome line is a fun thing.


Nothing really useful is jumping to mind at the moment. I started trying to post 6 hours ago while raiding and I've realized I don't even want to throw out random ideas here from fear of something terrible being run with.

 

[Moraelintz]

Another pretty cool idea would be:
Upon Casting Leach Touch there is an innate chance to autocast Imporved HT, and upon Casting Imporved HT there is an innate chance to autocast HT. Maybe 5 10 15 20. Thus about a 4% overall chance to do the notorious triple HT. Numbers may need to be adjusted.

 

[Lleoc]

spears return 2.5/5/7.5/10% of their damage as mana. scales with tomes/focus effects/charms by doing more damage/critting more often

 

[Otcho]

spears return 2.5/5/7.5/10% of their damage as mana. scales with tomes/focus effects/charms by doing more damage/critting more often

While you'd gain 100 mana or whatever if you crit runic2 I think the over all gains from this tome (or at least from those numbers) is really trivial and unappealing. Again I feel as a whole this thread is kind of pointless when shadowknights problems stem from their spell set and things revolving around it more so than a lack of a third tome, and a third tome shouldn't be the fix to those issues.

 

[Lleoc]

jr would gain like 275 mana almost and basically break even w/o a crit... nuliffying the cost of your spears would mean you could gain additional taps throughout a fight/do dps in exp groups without ooming.

edit: sorry thats with fiery but still... i only go oom on sks when i spam spears in exp and figured thats what people were crying about. because on raids/6m the class is stupid good and needs nerfed to the ground