Right of Wrong Way

[donfolstar3]

Since the other thread was closed immediately after two members of staff said completely different things I guess I will open a new thread to point out what I just said:

Right of Way-

To claim a wing/zone/encounter, you need 6 people present and be actively killing. Once you have begun clearing, if you stop and there is a dispute, you have 30 minutes to resume killing or you can lose your claim. If you enter a wing/zone/encounter and you DO NOT kill anything, YOU DO NOT have claim.

The rules says you have to kill something to establish the claim- not within 30 minutes. If I am reading it right you have 30 minutes after each kill to kill again or lose your claim [which is another problem b/c what if you wipe a few times? Should that say "engage" instead of "kill"?] I am fairly certain that was not always the case and it seems as though others agree. That was the central point of my other post. Lets ignore all the idea crap for now (or forever) and just focus on that point. Here is what staff had to say about the rule:

Criteria for claiming a zone. (for 18 man)
1) 6 Characters in zone.
2) A mob been killed. (Trap mobs, charmable mobs or mobs not associated with the clear or non-kos mobs DO NOT COUNT) Plainly obvious but strangely needs clarification.

Clearly states that a claim is not established until something has died. No 30 minutes window for the first kill. Completely ignores the list of places where needing to kill to establish a claim is problematic because that would take thunder away from calling me names.

The raid language is clear. You need 6. You need to ACTIVELY clear trash within 30 mins. Trash needs to be real trash, no trap mobs, no frogs in spires, actual clearing mobs. So you have 30 mins from when you have your 6 to start clearing.

"within 30 mins" & "you have 30 mins from when you have your 6 to start clearing"
That was the rules as I remember them before last week. You have 30 minutes to kill before you pass on your claim. This isn't what the rules say now.

So which is it?

 

[Ludovician]

You've done nothing but bitch on the forums for the past week straight. Your rule lawyering is really pitiful.

You're personally attacking staff (see your quote names) for what they're providing to you for FREE. Do you see a problem here? I'm sorry you've spent so much of your time ENJOYING a FREE game. It must be awful for you.

I don't have anything else to add but holy shit you're being a huge baby about whatever it is that happened to you.

I hope you see this before it's deleted.

 

[Ludovician]

Also want to add that I don't even know who you are in game but I'd be pretty embarrassed to be guilded with you.

 

[donfolstar3]

Asking questions when given two different answers makes me the worst, no doubt. I don't know who you are either. Nothing happened to me, I just want to understand the rules and for those rules to be enforced fairly (which kind of requires understanding them).

I am also sorry that pointing out when someone is rude is attacking them. I suppose that if I pointed out how rude you are being right now I would really be a monster. Anyhow, Thanks for the personal attacks- I can see how much rules matter to you.

 

[Xoranath]

It is this. You need at least 6 people. You need to kill something that is not non-kos or trap mobs. The whole 30 minute thing is for ongoing claim. This help? This is exactly the reason for the clarification. Most people think it is zone in with 6 and then you have 30 minutes to kill, but that is incorrect.

 

[Masuriya]

Score, I can post what I was gonna post earlier without getting lock sniped:

 

[Xoranath]

Why post this? I just clarified it. Trap mobs, like the first trap in Sanctum or the trap mobs in Spires do not count towards claim. See, even GM's and Trainee's have gotten that wrong. Thus the clarification. The reason trap mobs and some non kos mobs do not count is because they are not true progression through a zone. If you had a good enough rogue you would not even be killing the traps and there is no reason to kill the non kos mobs like slaves for progression.

 

[Vartax/Ayanos]

Xor, I just don't get what was wrong with the old rule? 6 in zone gives you 30 minutes to gather and be able to kill trash. That's what the old rule said, why change it?

 

[Vartax/Ayanos]

nevermind. it doesn't matter anymore. This is the new rule. got it.

 

[Xoranath]

It is not new. This is what the old rule was, it was just not stated well. Thus the clarification. Honestly, nothing was changed. Some past enforcement of the policy was incorrect, just like last week.

 

[Nwaij]

Xor, I just don't get what was wrong with the old rule? 6 in zone gives you 30 minutes to gather and be able to kill trash. That's what the old rule said, why change it?

What was wrong with the old rule? Nothing, thus it wasn't changed. It was just clarified, because people seemed to be under the wrong assumption that sitting in a zone with 6 doing nothing magically gave them a claim.

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So a GM-trainee did a wrong call. Guess what, that happens. Thats why he is a trainee, after all. You have a problem with that, follow the chain of command.