Question About Blinds (Paladin)

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Vallren

Dalayan Adventurer
I believe I asked this before but after reading some posts I am confused.

From what I was told by the general consensus, Blind only produces aggro if the blind being casted is not currently on the target. (Ex: BL > BL > BL would only generate aggro once, but BL > WoL > BL would generate aggro three times.)

Yet I have been reading forums where people are saying that blind is on a 2 second timer and are calculating aggro as if you cast it every 2 seconds.

I also notice that not many people tend to use FoL. While it is resisted often, there are times where there is just nothing else to cast and a chance to spike your aggro for a mere 13 mana sounds pretty useful to me.

Anywho, if someone can chime in on this and clarify I would greatly appreciate it.
 
Good question (if BL>WoL>BL gives additional agro or if you have to wait till it wears to recast).

As far as the lower lvl blind, the low resist check basically makes it not worthwhile. I also beleive it does not stack with blinding light or wave of light. Generally whatever your are tanking is going to have WoL of BL on most of the time, regardless if its multiple mobs or just one mob. So casting this spell is pretty much going to be useless when it will never take hold even if it doesn't get resisted.
 
Actually FoL overwrites BL and BL overwrites FoL. It's the only spell I know of that acts like this.

WoL, FoL, and BL all overwrite each other. There is no conflicts.

Additionally, the Ranger Blind Proc will overwrite any of these and likewise, you can overwrite it. (From my experience anyway.) Which is why I am asking about BL > FoL > BL. FoL hits about 40% of the time I'd say (Purely a guess).
 
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stope21 said:
Good question (if BL>WoL>BL gives additional agro or if you have to wait till it wears to recast).

As far as the lower lvl blind, the low resist check basically makes it not worthwhile. I also beleive it does not stack with blinding light or wave of light. Generally whatever your are tanking is going to have WoL of BL on most of the time, regardless if its multiple mobs or just one mob. So casting this spell is pretty much going to be useless when it will never take hold even if it doesn't get resisted.
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Observationally, I would say no. I also think that something another paladin is blinding prevents you from getting normal aggro by blinding it, even though your spell overwrites theirs.

Also, maybe wave of light overwrite the ranger blind proc, but blinding light does not.
 
I've never had conflicts wih BL and Ranger Blind. I hunt with a ranger who uses it reguarly and never had a problem overwriting it.
 
Aggro is the same regardless of whether it overwrites, renews or does neither. Aggro and buff stacking are completely separate parts of the code.

EDIT: I was wrong, see below.
 
Can we get a confirm on this? Because just tonight Daedeus and myself (2 paladins) were spamming blinding light on an add with terrible agro results, as soon as we changed to one of us blinding normaly and the other only stunning agro was fine. From all my experience it would seem that blinding light only generates agro if the previous BL has worn off or been cancelled out first.
 
one thing i learned as a rogue is that the Rogue poison "Nightshade" used to (and still may) block blinds due to the -attack component of the poison. so when a pally is tanking i couldnt use it. not sure if still the case.
 
Miffy said:
Can we get a confirm on this? Because just tonight Daedeus and myself (2 paladins) were spamming blinding light on an add with terrible agro results, as soon as we changed to one of us blinding normaly and the other only stunning agro was fine. From all my experience it would seem that blinding light only generates agro if the previous BL has worn off or been cancelled out first.
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I just took a look at the code and there is no reason a blind renew should give different aggro.
 
Every time I spam Blinding Light I might as well be smashing my face against the keyboard as far as aggro goes..

Is there any other reason the opposite might be true? I need to test a bit more just to be sure though.

Edit: Aye. Renewing a buff doesnt seem to give a shred of aggro,
 
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Ah wait, I found it, it was kind of obscure because it was based on spell ID. Recasting a spell, not an effect, on a target causes aggro to be reduced to almost nothing. So that's why BL -> FoL -> BL would work, because while both are blinds they are different spell IDs.
 
Wiz said:
Ah wait, I found it, it was kind of obscure because it was based on spell ID. Recasting a spell, not an effect, on a target causes aggro to be reduced to almost nothing. So that's why BL -> FoL -> BL would work, because while both are blinds they are different spell IDs.
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To clarify, as long as they overwrite, I could be casting low level blind + blinding light in chain and each would generate normal aggro?

This changes a lot of what I said before about SKs being able to generate more than a Paladin on a single target. That claim was based on 1 BL + 1 DS every 9 seconds. If a Paladin wanted to (and the spells were landing), this would give a paladin almost twice the single target aggro of a Shadowknight.
 
Well, flash of light would not overwrite blinding light so it'd have to be FL -> BL then wait for BL to fade.

Either way I'm not really going to get into the SK vs Paladin argument, just clarifying the mechanics.
 
So now my question is, is a paladin with 250 Focus/Mind and maxxed Cha capable of landing a FoL enough to warrant this?

Also, FoL DOES overwrite BL. FoL also overwrites WoL.

Edit: I do not want a SK vs Pally discussion here. I simply want to stick to Blinds. Please.
 
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Well, flash of light would not overwrite blinding light so it'd have to be FL -> BL then wait for BL to fade.

Either way I'm not really going to get into the SK vs Paladin argument, just clarifying the mechanics.
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Was the intention that a paladin would have to wait for BL to fade to cast a new blind or something else?
 
Vallren said:
So now my question is, is a paladin with 250 Focus/Mind and maxxed Cha capable of landing a FoL enough to warrant this?

Also, FoL DOES overwrite BL. FoL also overwrites WoL.

Edit: I do not want a SK vs Pally discussion here. I simply want to stick to Blinds. Please.
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That may actually be a problem then, if FoL and BL can be chained like that. I'll leave that decision up to the people currently working on aggro, though.

Someone might want to bring this up in the aggro thread.
 
Manguadi said:
Was the intention that a paladin would have to wait for BL to fade to cast a new blind or something else?
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It's been too long since I worked on this code to remember the original intention and it's kind of irrelevant anyway. The consideration should be whether FL->BL being chainable is a good thing right now.
 
Well as long as FoL is resisted like a bitch I dont find it too overpowering.

Should that aspect ever change though then yes it could be an issue. Heading to the aggro thread now.

Edit: Wait.. aggro thread? o.o
 
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