Problems with H2H Skill Bonus from Items

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Dalayan Beginner
Well my dillemna is that I am receiving no ATK bonus from H2H skill from
High Paw's Hand while I have Charm of the Brute Equipped.

The Cap is believed to be 25 H2H From Items but in my case
the cutoff for ATK seems to be at 15 H2H

If it helps, I am a 36 Iksar Monk. It is entirely possible that the Cap
is lower at my level ( only hitting 25 at higher levels )

I am just in need of clarification from someone who knows
how this works because I have an obsession for having
super high ATK Power and I've hit a mean speed bump :p

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High Paw's Hand is: Range Slot, +5 H2H +2 Str (other stats but they are irrelevant)
Charm of the Brute is: Charm Slot, +15 H2H, +10 Str
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Because Fomelo Does not Factor H2H, I Will list both my Client-side and Fomelo
ATK Scores. This also allows us to pinpoint exactly how much bonus is given
from either STR or H2H

With Neither Item Equipped I have 860 ATK Clientside, 825 on Fomelo.

With Only Charm of the Brute Equipped I Have 942 ATK Clientside, 834 Fomelo.

So +73 from the 15 H2H, and +9 from the 10 STR for a total of +82

With Charm of the Brute and High Paw's Hand.. 943 ATK Client, 836 Fomelo.

So +1 Clientside and +2 Fomelo Side? I'm guessing it is slightly less
then +2, with the client rounding down to 1 and Fomelo rounding up
to 2. We will call this a +1 Atk bonus from Str, and +0 from H2H

Our Total ATK Bonus is now +83

Now, With Charm of the Brute and my Pristine Tal'Yan Warrior Essence (+3 STR)
replacing High Paw's Hand in the range slot.. 944 ATK Client, 837 Fomelo

So, we will call this +2 Atk Bonus from Str, and, unfortunately under these
circumstances, a superior choice to High Paw's Hand with +84 Total ATK

And finally - High Paw's Hand only ( No charm ) 885 Client, 827 Fomelo

So Here we see a +13 ATK Bonus from H2H Skill, and +2 from Str
A Total of +15 ATK, by itself, and only adding +1 when paired with the Charm.



In essence, the only fact I can discern from this is that once I pass up +15 H2H
bonus from items, I no longer receive ATK from any further H2H bonuses.

The actual cut-off could be lower or higher than 15 but I dont have the means
to experiment outside of the items I have.

Any insight is greatly appreciated!
 
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well

Then - Would running a sod-friendly Parser be a viable option for determining how much ATK i'm receiving? If so - could anyone suggest one?
 
You should be able to parse an increase in DPS if the additional H2H skill is actually being counted client-side. EQCompanion is another parser that is pretty straightforward if you can't get GamParse to work.

The easiest way to track a DPS increase would be to attack another player in a duel over a long period of time, look at your overall DPS in the parser, then start a new combat log and equip the second +H2H item and do another log. The longer each fight lasts, the better. If you have access to a healer that you could 2box this would be the easiest way, or you could try asking in ooc for someone to help. Doing it against mobs tends to be a little less accurate since their levels (and as a result their AC and other stats) vary slightly.

I do know that at level 65 going from +0 to +15 h2h mod is a very significant DPS improvement, so if the server is accurately accounting for your additional +5 it should definitely have an impact on your dps.
 
well

Ok - I experimented with GamParse. ( I couldn't get EQCompanion to work as it crashes my computer for some reason. )

After 4 Runs each consisting of at least 250 landed hits...
with 2 runs being High Paw's Hand + Charm of the Brute,
and 2 runs being Charm of the Brute only...

My DPS on every Run was 18

Aside from High Paw/Charm, each attempt was identical.

My target was a 33 rogue unbuffed aside from Regeneration,
and she was being healed by my druid. She was in Style 3
Defensive Stance. I was in Style 1 Normal Stance.

I had hoped this wouldn't be the case, but for me, any extra
H2H Skill added after the +15 from Charm of the Brute is
seemingly 100 % useless.

If there's anyone who would know if this is because of
me being level 36 and not getting a full +25 H2H Cap, I'd
really appreciate some feedback.

Otherwise, I guess I'm just out 100 plat for the Hand so
it's no big deal.
 
There's a problem with your setup and the main difficulty is that you're too low level for this parse to tell you much.

When you start talking about modifiers increasing your damage, it's usually in terms of a few percent. If your DPS is 18, a swing of even 25% (which is enormous) is only 4 points one way or another. The mod you're getting is probably increasing your h2h skill by maybe 10-15%, which makes the effective bonus somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5 to 2 dps, way too small to notice when you consider fluctuations in the RNG. Let's also consider that your h2h skill is just one factor of many which get considered every time you swing at a mob.

Make sense? When you level more and your DPS starts coming up to, say, 50, the same mod might push you up to 55-58 dps. When your DPS gets to be 100, the same mod might push you to 110-115.

Anyway, somebody who knows the maths better than I might be able to explain it better, but that's my understanding in a nutshell.

*edit*
Oh, and to answer your question, I think it's much more likely that the difference is too little to see than that you're not getting your full +25 bonus to h2h.
 
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yea

that makes perfect sense actually

i had considered that though.. which is why i did 4 samples. however, i think for completeness sake i should probably do a sample without any H2H mods on and then compare how much each item by itself increases my dps ( and to include much longer samples would help too )

when it comes down to it though im pretty sure that given the fact im not showing any ATK
increase from the Hand while I have the Charm on, and not to mention my maximum and average damage swings were spot on in each sample, i think these new samples will be conclusive with the previous ones.
 
If you need help testing it out, drop me a line, and we can set something up. I have alts around your level to help out the testing. Or I could probably stand there with my bard all day long with healing song on.
 
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