Paladin BP - Vengeance proc

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just wondering what the logic was behind giving a tank class a bp proc (which only procs when youre taking melee dmg) that boosts your atk for 1 hit? imo changing it to a rune or a pbae agro spell would be better (like the tmap bp with color flux)
 
Kirin Folken
Better then no proc

Thats not really true. Now it takes a buff slot i suppose.
 
Because they were designed to give you a mix of DPS and tanking, and thats what the pieces do.

Hell, even SK items have fero and crit strike on them.
 
Mythryn said:
Because they were designed to give you a mix of DPS and tanking, and thats what the pieces do.

Hell, even SK items have fero and crit strike on them.
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Yep, SK Thaz gear is better tank gear because they are meant to be better tanks. Paladin stuff is geared more towards their melee DPS role.
 
Temellin said:
Yep, SK Thaz gear is better tank gear because they are meant to be better tanks. Paladin stuff is geared more towards their melee DPS role.
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ok, on the pants i can more or less agree with this, especially since SKs sometimes end up pulling with their FD thingy. but the bp proc that takes a buff slot? im sorry, but that i really dont understand. as a paladin youre always gonna be attacking from the front, auxing for the MT. a one-hit duration atk buff does absolutely nada. and in groups even with only 3-4 mobs on you, your dmg already gets auxed to nearly zero and u just have to let the dpsers do their work.
 
Temellin said:
Yep, SK Thaz gear is better tank gear because they are meant to be better tanks. Paladin stuff is geared more towards their melee DPS role.
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By this logic, the proc on the pally bp is more of a statement of:

The bp proc only helps if the paladin is tanking.

Thus making the proc pretty useless to say the least. Its like, "when your tanking, we'll give you more dps, although we'll rob you of a buff slot while doing so. Although, you probably would rather have another buff in that slot to tank better with when you surely are tanking."



In sum of the bp proc:
Its one of those things you don't need (and I personally do not want) when I do have the ability to obtain it. Its more detrimental than beneficial.

I would honestly rather have no proc than that proc. I strongly support changing the proc, taking it off and replacing it with some other stat/focus effect, or even just taking it off.



To be fair regarding the sk vs pally legs; the sk legs definatly have a large dps improvement aswell (affliction enhancement 6).

As a whole though, the thaz items have been done very well, especially if you consider the sets as a whole.
 
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Mythryn said:
And that's how they were intended to be compared, as a set, not piece by piece.
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That doesn't mean some sets arn't better then others :p. But in general, everyone has been mostly satisfied.

I still strongly support a change on the bp proc or it to be just taken off.
 
I propose the proc on the SK thaz bracer be replaced with the Paladin BP proc and vice versa.
 
all from memory, and probably wrong, but i think may be right:

SK bracer proc is like a 120 ish pt dd/self heal (almost like a tap)

pally bracer proc is like a 115 ish pt dd (thats it)

I just remember thinking, Man the sk bracer hits for more damage and also heals you ontop of doing damage.

I could be wrong, this was a long time ago.

But yea, if the sk bracer proc is 120 ish pt dd/self heal like I said, that wouldnt be a bad change to the bp. Although, if i played an sk I wouldnt want the pally bp proc on my bracer.. that shit still sucks.
 
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The bracer proc is just a 120 point heal. No damage component, and would actually be pretty useful for soloing, but thats it.
 
So the sk bracer proc is minorly useful. The pally bracer proc on the other hand is actually detrimental in many raid/group situations. What I mean is that as a pally I often have to generate agro on mezed mobs by casting spells on them and a chance to proc a dd and break mez is awful. So, while I think the bp proc is rather worhtless the bracer proc is not only worthless but harmful to a very important role that pallies play so please consider changing it to something that is at least harmless.
 
Yea, i just made what i believe is the first pally bracer.

Its effect:
Lights: Judgement
120 pt. DD

This effect is not bad if you're trying to agro something. But its also highly detrimental, like miffane said, if you're trying to generate agro on mezzed mobs. Which at the high end, is quite frequently.

I don't think a thaz upgraded class specific bracer should be detrimental in anyway.

I also support changing the proc to something else, or just removing it totally. (thats pretty bad for such a high end item to acquire :/ )

I'd recommend changing it to a flat heal proc for like 200 dmg.
 
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I don't think that the procs need to be quite so... "paladin" in nature. It seems that the design was to give paladins a bit more dps and that doesnt need to be altered just the way it is achieved does. For example perhaps the bracer could proc a debuff on the mob that increases the dmg it takes for a few ticks, thereby increasing dps a little but not screwing up mezed adds. The bp could do something along a similar line, not saying anything huge but small little perks that are actualy going to increase the pally's dps.
 
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