If possible, throw in some more rogue daggers please. Why? because all the end game rogues have the same set of daggers, I can count them with 1 hand: Claw of Cilzaia, Crude Bone Skewer, Bonesunder, Magebane, Twilight Rapier. With the latter of course being extremely difficult to get (Only 2 rogues have them). Also since ToT is down Bonesunder is off the list. This leaves us with Crude Bone Skewer, Magebane, Claw of Cilzaia. Crude Bone skewer has the most useless proc: Siphon Strength, not only is it a lvl 1 necro spell, it gives unwanted aggro for a shitty buff. Magebane and Claw of Cilzaia are definitely not primary weapons, so the only decent Backstabber you could reasonably get would be Crude Bone Skewer, which as stated, has a shitty proc. If anything, please change the proc on Crude Bone Skewer, thanks.
More rogue daggers
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zodium
Dalayan Elder
Hey, all the high end warriors have:
- Ytrazliarch
- Wailfury
AND/OR
- Jagged Emerald Staff of Evisceration
Also, virtually all high end monks have Sleeves of Avoidance. As you see, there is a general problem here. Rogues have way more weapon options than say, warriors, do. More loot options will come with more raid targets.
- Ytrazliarch
- Wailfury
AND/OR
- Jagged Emerald Staff of Evisceration
Also, virtually all high end monks have Sleeves of Avoidance. As you see, there is a general problem here. Rogues have way more weapon options than say, warriors, do. More loot options will come with more raid targets.
Keep in mind that those choices are only "limiting" your primary hand. There are many great 1hs weapons (ie. Stormrazor) out there for your secondary. And as previously stated, al melee's dont have a huge selection of weapons:
Monks have (for both fists, not just one):
- ToT Ulak (zone isnt in game anymore, same deal as Bonesunder)
- Rymaz staff
- their bare fists
- Summoner Fist (which is just as hard to get as Twilight Rapier, one in game)
- OR - Jagged Emerald Staff of Evisceration
Rangers have:
- Frost King's Bow
- Kedgemetal Crossbow (who actually uses it?)
- PoA bow (only one on server)
etc etc. I'm probably missing a few but you get the idea. If any more daggers were added they would either be: pretty much the same as an existing one, or unbalanced.
Monks have (for both fists, not just one):
- ToT Ulak (zone isnt in game anymore, same deal as Bonesunder)
- Rymaz staff
- their bare fists
- Summoner Fist (which is just as hard to get as Twilight Rapier, one in game)
- OR - Jagged Emerald Staff of Evisceration
Rangers have:
- Frost King's Bow
- Kedgemetal Crossbow (who actually uses it?)
- PoA bow (only one on server)
etc etc. I'm probably missing a few but you get the idea. If any more daggers were added they would either be: pretty much the same as an existing one, or unbalanced.
Warriors and rogues can also use Fjorleif from Grand Librarian.
Warriors also have that rare drop sword from the phase golems in Prison which is more dps against cold mobs then Fjorleif. Don't know if rogues can use it though.
Personally I don't care for the MoTG evic stick. It doesn't generate enough constant aggro for a tanking warrior on a mob and I've had issues stealing aggro away from Alazif when he tries tanking with it without even having an aggro weapon equiped. The staff also generates too MUCH aggro when you give it to a monk and they go all out. It's a decent high end knight weapon though.
I agree though, the crude bone skewer proc is :lol:
Warriors also have that rare drop sword from the phase golems in Prison which is more dps against cold mobs then Fjorleif. Don't know if rogues can use it though.
Personally I don't care for the MoTG evic stick. It doesn't generate enough constant aggro for a tanking warrior on a mob and I've had issues stealing aggro away from Alazif when he tries tanking with it without even having an aggro weapon equiped. The staff also generates too MUCH aggro when you give it to a monk and they go all out. It's a decent high end knight weapon though.
I agree though, the crude bone skewer proc is :lol:
monks have wilson , prismatic crystal knuckles, cillzaia fistwraps, list goes on. The Cmal boss monk fists are nothing I would use over the available raid drops tbh. Rangers have ashenstrike from Sol A djinn near the sunshrine. Warriors really only have ytraz wailfury ragebearer nightjaunt for mt weapons, whilst offtanks and nontank warriors have a much larger plethora of weapons. What needs to fill the gap for rogues mainhand is for ToT to come back up, but I would rather have it done right than halfass. As for the jagged staff we can all agree, unless you are a monk, that it needs higher proc rate for a 2hder MT weapon.
True, my list was simply listing the primary hand only. As a rogue however, the primary weapon is obviously the most crucial. Without a good backstabbing weapon in your primary, your pretty much like a warrior or a monk who's primary weapon has a good DD proc. And as stated above, the only decent backstabbing weapon you could get reasonably would be Crude Bone Skewer with the :lol: proc. Reznolaw Fang and Dirk of defense are just garbage and shouldn't even be considered. Theres that dagger from Dergalak the Ice Lord but hah good luck getting that one. So once, again please change the shitty lvl 1 necro proc on Crude Bone skewer, thanks.
Zhak Morris
Dalayan Beginner
Summoner Fist is shit, Darkyth is only one with it.
Let me enlighten you, mister "I like to assume shit when I have no factual proof or evidence".
A) Zhak is the only monk (that i am aware of) with the stick on the server, so again I'm really not sure where the fuck you're pulling this shit from.
B) Bare fists with snowsilk gloves or the quested ones with +2 fire damage generate far more aggro than the motg stick could ever hope to generate. I've gone all out on fights before (style 15 no fd!) and never once had the mob turn at me.
I'm sorry -> your <- aggro sucks ass but please don't post shit that you haven't a clue about. Thanks in advance.
And to note, the motg stick is by far the best monk dps weapon currently available, if you can afford the weight.
(Duma is referring to the MotG staff here)
Let me enlighten you, mister "I like to assume shit when I have no factual proof or evidence".
A) Zhak is the only monk (that i am aware of) with the stick on the server, so again I'm really not sure where the fuck you're pulling this shit from.
B) Bare fists with snowsilk gloves or the quested ones with +2 fire damage generate far more aggro than the motg stick could ever hope to generate. I've gone all out on fights before (style 15 no fd!) and never once had the mob turn at me.
I'm sorry -> your <- aggro sucks ass but please don't post shit that you haven't a clue about. Thanks in advance.
And to note, the motg stick is by far the best monk dps weapon currently available, if you can afford the weight.
