Monk Progressive

[sonicdream]

Monk Progressive Bag, NPC flagged to respond only to monks, No Drop Bag

Doable at low level for low weight reduction bag. Essentially progressing into 100% weight reduction bag through a series of quests similar to Newport Ring progression and Main Quest Progression.

I think this would be good.

 

[Elysium]

Sure, but why limit it to Monk only?

 

[sonicdream]

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Monks are more in need of weight reduction because of their deductions if they pass a certain weight, which I'm sure you know, Traul. However, other classes are not as needy when it comes to weight, sure casters can be lacking in strength, but they can buy 80% weight reduction bag that weighs 3 pounds. There aren't many bags available to monks who are trying to keep their weight minut that don't cost alot of money, or have a decent amount of slots. I realize there are tmap bags, and bags available for purchase, but not many monks are capabale of acquiring such assets. Many weight reduction bags out there have high weight on them themselves, and I don't see them useful unless you're carrying an arsinal of 100 pounds[this is a hyperbole].

Keeping weight low is not as much as a priority to other classes because they don't get penalized for it, but instead simply get encumbered which could be countered with a strength buff.

Hopefully you can see the logic, it isn't hard to spot.

 

[luceri]

trivializes other weight reduction bags somewhat if it's not monk only; everyone would have a 10 slot 100% weight reduction bag by lvl65.

 

[Minerios]

I think the right question to ask would be: is it needed? Most of the time, "it'd be cool" and "it'd offset one of the class' cons" aren't enough reasons to implement something.

 

[Elysium]

Re: h

Monks are more in need of weight reduction because of their deductions if they pass a certain weight, which I'm sure you know, Traul. However, other classes are not as needy when it comes to weight, sure casters can be lacking in strength, but they can buy 80% weight reduction bag that weighs 3 pounds. There aren't many bags available to monks who are trying to keep their weight minut that don't cost alot of money, or have a decent amount of slots. I realize there are tmap bags, and bags available for purchase, but not many monks are capabale of acquiring such assets. Many weight reduction bags out there have high weight on them themselves, and I don't see them useful unless you're carrying an arsinal of 100 pounds[this is a hyperbole].

Keeping weight low is not as much as a priority to other classes because they don't get penalized for it, but instead simply get encumbered which could be countered with a strength buff.

Hopefully you can see the logic, it isn't hard to spot.

Yeah, I understand Monks need it more, but that still doesn't really justify why another class shouldn't be able to do a progression quest to get a WR bag.

I really like this idea though, it never hurts to have another quest to do.

 

[zodium]

You realize we actually made the monk weight limit on purpose, right? It's not an accident or anything, if you're wondering. We don't want to go and negate it.

 

[Tryfaen]

maybe make it require high faction with the monk guild so it should be easy for monks to be able to start the quest but others will need to do some work before being able to do it.

The bag can start off as 100% WR and 2 slots and weigh .1 or something and each progressive step in the quest adds 2 slots up to a 10 slot bag.

 

[Elysium]

You realize we actually made the monk weight limit on purpose, right? It's not an accident or anything, if you're wondering. We don't want to go and negate it.

Because one more weight reduction bag, distributed through a long quest, is going to completely negate the Monk weight penalty. Right.

 

[Wiz]

You realize we actually made the monk weight limit on purpose, right? It's not an accident or anything, if you're wondering. We don't want to go and negate it.

Because one more weight reduction bag, distributed through a long quest, is going to completely negate the Monk weight penalty. Right.

His point was that if we just wanted to plain alleviate the weight penalty with something like an easily attained weight reduction bag, we could just allow monks to carry more weight.

 

[Bone]

IIRC there are 4 100% wieghtless bags in the game already with several other WR bags avialable as well.

 

[Elysium]

You realize we actually made the monk weight limit on purpose, right? It's not an accident or anything, if you're wondering. We don't want to go and negate it.

Because one more weight reduction bag, distributed through a long quest, is going to completely negate the Monk weight penalty. Right.

His point was that if we just wanted to plain alleviate the weight penalty with something like an easily attained weight reduction bag, we could just allow monks to carry more weight.

Where are you guys getting this? Easily? He's asking for a long progression quest, spanning throughout the levels, that most likely results in one 100% weight reduction bag. He's not asking for every Monk to start off with 8 10-slot 100% bags.

Edit: And I'm not trying to sound like a jackass, but I think this idea is pretty decent and I don't think it's fair for Zodium to just shoot it down with condescending sarcasm. It wouldn't be a hard quest to balance.

 

[excuseme]

You realize we actually made the monk weight limit on purpose, right? It's not an accident or anything, if you're wondering. We don't want to go and negate it.

Because one more weight reduction bag, distributed through a long quest, is going to completely negate the Monk weight penalty. Right.

His point was that if we just wanted to plain alleviate the weight penalty with something like an easily attained weight reduction bag, we could just allow monks to carry more weight.

Ok, I'm not trying to insult or offend anyone. I'm not trying to put any words into anyone's mouth. We've heard from Zodium and Wiz already, and neither of their comments seemed particularly encouraging to me about this suggestion.

Rather than have it take a turn for the worse with increasingly bitter, sarcastic, and disrespectful posts, why doesn't someone with authority make a post to the effect of, "We're not going to do this because it moves in the direction of trivializing the Monk's weight restriction" or "We think the Monk's weight restriction is sufficiently balanced vs the availability and price of the current selection of weight rediction bags in the game".

And no, I'm not insinuatng that either Zodium or Wiz was trying to be cryptic or misleading. It's just that if I'm some person with a hard-on for some idea, when I read responses like that, I wouldn''t interpret them as a "no", so I would keep on pushing.

 

[Wiz]

It's unlikely that we will implement this because we're happy with the way the monk weight penalty works right now.

 

[Zhak]

I like the idea, I hardly think it "trivializes" the monk weight limit.

With the runeshards, clickies, port necks, alternate weapons etc, I don't think it would trivialize our penalty, it would simply allow for a little less grief on "which item should I bank because i don't have room to hold it"

As the game progresses so does the amount of items that we need to carry ( or rather, we'd like to ) on our person. For example, the vale neck, athica neck never used to be in the game. Neither did runeshards, neither did the taeshlin / IP gate neck ( and others I'm not thinking of atm), and with time, I'm sure we'll see more items that monks will need to carry with them.

Zod, as has been stated, he wasn't asking for weight reduction bags to be "given" to us or to even be "easily attained". He was asking for a quest ( and it seems like a progressive, in-depth, thorough quest ) to attain one weight reduction bag.

I think it is a great suggestion, hopefully Wiz reconsiders the idea.

 

[sonicdream]

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Indeed my intent was a long drawn out quest with moderate difficulty and progressively getting harder. Not for 100% weight reduction items to flood the world of the monks. I think Zhak and Traul both understand my point of view well and they've made it as clear as I have.

His point was that if we just wanted to plain alleviate the weight penalty with something like an easily attained weight reduction bag, we could just allow monks to carry more weight.

Easily attained was never mentioned, maybe not diligent but not easy. Like I said progressive, somewhat equivilant to Main Quest, possibly harder.