Misery Quest - rewards unbalanced?

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Riesen

Dalayan Beginner
Guard of Corruption - cleric (fomelo Zaira - at times)
Secondary slot
35 ac
Healing Increment 5
Flowing throught 1
7 dex 7 str 15 cha 15 wis
110 HP 110 mana
9 Sv Pois 9 Sv Dis

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Guard of Misery - Necro (fomelo Arlain)
Secondary slot
15ac
Affliction enhancement 5
Recovery 2
8 sta 10 cha
100 hps 110 mana
12 sv pois 12 sv dis

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Shackles of Torture - rogue (fomelo Talez)
Wrist slot
15ac
Crit strike: 1%
Worn: Nightblades Ferocity
10 str 15 dex
110 hp
15 sv magic

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Guard of Misery - Mage (fomelo Slaariel)
Secondary slot
15ac
Flowing Thought: III
Aggression: -2%
8 sta 10 cha
40 mana 40 hps
10 sv pois 10 sv dis

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Cloak of Dismay - Warrior (fomelo Jaxelthorpe)
Back slot
25ac
Worn: Cry of Vindication (no idea guys, sorry. anyone got a parser?)
8 str 8 sta 12 dex
115 hps


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Now i know thees have all already been revamped. At least some got changed, i hear mage didn't.

I can agree the recovery 2 is useful.

I just feel this cleric shield is grossly overpowered, or the necro one needs an int / cha boost.

I know people are going to say "bias- he's using it" and that's fine. I only know what the stats are, and got to notice the sheer inferiority by actually obtaining this one.

another good example is the rogue bracer (shackles) of which i forgot the exact stats, and forgot who had it. Would appreciate it if any one who has their misery quest rewards posted the stats in this thread, I will update the main post accordingly.



Moded 10 am April 17th: Added rogue reward
Moded 09 am April 18th: Added mage reward and warrior reward
 
First of all, I can't think of a single cleric who's going to use that shield over Lifeward. And let's face it, the Misery quest is probably harder and more time consuming than Lifeward is if you know what you're doing (Fuck you Tas'Thox). If you know somebody who is actually using the cleric shield, please hit them repeatedly and tell them to give those kind of drops to classes that'll use it longer.

To be fair, that shield is slightly better than Lifeward with the FT. But only slightly and if you're going to put that much effort into a quest, why not go for the one you're going to use longer that isn't an incredibly minor upgrade?
 
Please stay on topic. and yes, it is better than lifeward for the Ft. and yes, lots of people do lifeward and let it sit in their bags.

That, however, is not the topic of this thread. Please go rant somewhere else.
 
It's true that the NEC thingie is not on par. Are both shields ?
On a sidenote all rewards don't have to be equally useful for all classes... I heard a mage thingie that is even more overpowered. Some classes have to be segregated, it's life (or undeath in our case).
Objectively anyway it could use a little boost.

Otherwise were teh rogue bracer's effect changed ? and if not, does it stack with other worn effects (or at least does the interesting part of its effect stack ?)
 
I'm trying to get a list of the misery items. From what i saw of the rogue bracer on the goon squad member that linked it, it was beyond both of the shields i linked.

The mage shield has some ungodly amount of ft and 40 hp / mana.

I'm not saying the necro shield needs Ft, tbh the recovery is fine, but some more base stats, maybe some int so i don't have to compensate for that loss (i'm not PR Exodus, or steel geared)

I dunno, quests where every class has to do the exact same thing are hard to argue over. Because frankly, they really should be similarly useful. Starfalls are one thing, but this is the exact same quest.
 
Now, i will admit, these shields are nice for a few reasons. they have aug slots. Unlike many dropped items for such classes at that tier. allowing you to add an addition 30 mana (type 2 aug slot)

I just feel the necro shield is sub par to the cleric shield.

I might even go so far as to say replacing the affliction 5 with a poison or fire focus might do the trick. Leaving the rest of stats as is. who knows.

That's just an idea, and it's not one I know very much about, as poison focus's are rare to come by at my tier (or so i think?)
 
Speaking of the rogue bracer can we get some GM confirmation on what the effect is supposed to be doing?

Parser doesn't seem right, and it doesn't appear to be adding any haste (overhaste, item haste, or spell haste) what-so-ever.
 
I bot Zaira a lot of the time and I use the Guard of Corruption shield unless im rezzing the dead. smack me all you want, i just wont rez you ;)
 
Riesen said:
That, however, is not the topic of this thread. Please go rant somewhere else.
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I wasn't ranting. What I was saying is that the cleric shield is probably the oddest thing you could possibly have compared your shield to. You said the necro shield was sub part to the cleric shield and you're right. But the problem doesn't lie with the necro shield, it lies with the cleric shield which is overpowered and probably needs a nerf. I don't know anything about necros so if that shield is worthless, hey I wouldn't be able to tell. I'll leave that to the necros. But saying it needs to be on par with something that could stand a stat hit (And I'd personally drop some mana off that thing. The draw is obviously the FT but 110 mana + FT 1 is pretty damn big) is odd and not really a good comparison.

Find something to compare it to that doesn't need a nerf.
 
Ykari: Are you saying the cleric shield is both overpowered -and- not worth doing the quest for? In my opinion, the cleric shield is balanced. It's considerably worse than the PoValor shield, only slightly better than the priest Tmap reward, and much better than the Lifeward (but the lifeward should never be compared to another cleric shield in the game, it is used forever).

Removing mana would make this shield virtually useless. Why? Shield of Freeport. Removing the FT makes it underpowered, removing the FT and adding Mana makes doing this over the Tmap quest pointless. In my opinion, you are wrong to say that this shield would not be used over the Lifeward, and you are wrong to say it needs a nerf. So, I don't really see why Arlain shouldn't compare this with the Necro reward.
 
I should perhaps be more clear. I would not personally get this shield because the amount of energy it takes to get the Misery rewards is huge. Kas'Thox is a pain in my ass. Yes it is an upgrade, and a decent one, and I know many clerics are happy to do it, but I was saying I'm not.

Now, that being said. I think it's incredibly idiotic that the Guard of Corruption is as good as it is. I've helped others do the Misery quest, believe me I know what a bitch it is. But c'mon man. 110 mana and FT1? Are you shitting me? To my knowledge, it's 50 mana per FT for standard conversions, so thats 160 mana on that shield. The Heavy Driftwood Shield from Deep PoW only has 120 mana. And Misery to Deep PoW is one hell of a tier jump.
 
Cuwi.

This shield is a long and enduring quest.

It involves killen Tas'Thox enough times to get the chance to loot your archetype specific ashes,
and killen HoS and being granted the chalice.

Bearing in mind that Tas'thox's loots are ridiculously bad, and that he only drops 1 actual loot, ever.

This quest requires far more effort than many quest items at that level. Only comparable to like, tal yan mask (by the way, is that overpowered too?)

I am sorry cuwi, but the fact that shield shield has deterred the average cleric (you), because it's too painstaking long to do, makes it already obviously clear to me that it deserves to be that good.

ON TOPIC:

I really do think the necro should be tweaked. And i think alot of these rewards should be addressed here.
 
Please, anyone don't be shy to tell me names of people with their misery quest rewards. I will totally take the time to copy the infos down if you don't want to. I feel this is a valid point that should be discussed with good sound proof.
 
Slaariel has the mage one, it is:
Guard of Misery
Secondary
AC:15
Effect: Flowing Thought III (worn) (Yes, Three, not one, not two, but three!)
STA: +8 CHA: +10 HP/Mana: +40
PR/DR: +10
Aggression: -2%
MAG/ALL (Obv)
And like the other shields can be augged.
 
Jaxelthorpe has the Warrior back cloak item, which is average. He still uses it over Cape of the Scourage, I think because of the effect but it has no resists so I think he swaps it out a lot for resist gear.

I have the cleric shield with Sniglefritz, got it before the changes, never used it, been sitting in my bank forever now. Went from Lifeward to Water Shield (Range Inc FTW)
 
I might take it to that point. I just feel it's more important to get em balanced correctly before you build on them, shaky foundation is exactly that, shaky :/

Rumor has it alot of these worn effects are actually broken, rogue bracer confirmed by alton. the haste portion of it is not showing up in any of his tests. It's jsut 10atk, which definitely isn't bad, but doesn't sound like it's parsing suggests.

I'm not suggesting you make any quick changes, but these items don't really seem to have gotten the correct overhaul they were promised before. whenever you guys find the time it might be cool to revisit em.
 
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