il-la and vorrel

Manguadi

Dalayan Beginner
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Falls behind a bit when compared to other aggressive items such as
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All three feature strong net resists, a 5 hp difference, and good AC for melee dps in those slots. The bracer comes from a considerably more challenging encounter and has no attack. It was a difficult decision to upgrade to this from my thaz bracer because the avoidance bonus granted has lots of synergy with the way monks tank, which I think makes up for the AC and possibly even the hp difference (which when compared in terms of aug value is only about 11 more AC). In fact, the only reason I ended up using it at all is so I could swap my perception back in.

The most striking thing about this item is that it's very bland. The nashtav is really outstanding in that a single item can have so much crit, attack, and even damage reduction on top of very good resists. It's one of the first times you see so much on a single item. The shroud is exceptional because of its extremely high FR and impressive AC for melee dps, which make for a good swappable item even if you happen to upgrade it.

The simple solution would be to add ferocity to it as well, but I'm not sure it's the best solution since at this point it is so easy to max crit strike and ferocity. In any case, I think it should be adjusted.

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Has a few viable alternatives in
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The only significant advantage vorrel holds over each of these is HP. Between raw mana and FT, vorrel is a minor upgrade at best to any of these items. Each has comparable ac and the stats, large as ever, continue to add nothing to characters of this tier. It doesn't even feature stamina, probably the only useful raw stat for the classes that can use it. The bane enhancement is no more than another line of text as there are pitifully few spells that benefit from this and the only class to benefit from bane enhancement (paladin) only benefits in two zones and they can't even use vorrel.

Anyone who needs the FT is going to need to prepare to use this because a 2 FT hit is significant. Anyone who uses an everburning core might as well pass since the 30 FR is much bigger than 15 mana and some hp. A bard will use this on fights where pot4 is critical, but at the cost of the stoneculler mod in most cases and the additional melee dps. Worse still, they can use vastly better shields for aux tanking.

Resists would go a long way toward bringing this shield up to par, but its raw mana and HP do not go far enough toward equaling the value of FT, particularly when FT is at such a premium. As an upgrade to pot4, this item is fine, but for the rest of the classes listed it's an extremely minor improvement, and one that in every case will cost you something.
 
About Vorrel, I suppose it's an alternative to grant more raw mana to toons which already max their FT by a significant amount with Bane as flavor (I don't agree though only paladins need this) ; problem is the multiclass with bard, and the insane mod - with such a pot4 I guess some people can forget about resist gear ! which might explain why it's not a huge tank shield (although as you mentioned the HP are insane, quite more than the Earth shield for example).
I can only guess about how hard the encounter is ; but adding some STA on it doesn't sound like a horrible request.
 
About Vorrel, I suppose it's an alternative to grant more raw mana to toons which already max their FT by a significant amount with Bane as flavor (I don't agree though only paladins need this) ; problem is the multiclass with bard, and the insane mod - with such a pot4 I guess some people can forget about resist gear ! which might explain why it's not a huge tank shield (although as you mentioned the HP are insane, quite more than the Earth shield for example).
I can only guess about how hard the encounter is ; but adding some STA on it doesn't sound like a horrible request.

Even if it is just a raw mana upgrade, a 15mana upgrade from Corefire to Sanctum is not all that balanced. It also has 0 svs which makes it even worse than Corefire's secondary. Edit: It does have a type 3 aug slot that I forgot about while Corefire's does not. Still, the lack of svs is quite disturbing.

As far as the singing mod...since it requires the bard to give up his/her secondar, the item is used on exactly 1 fight. I bet you can't guess what fight that is.

Regarding the melee bracer...again we are getting a ton of crit strike at a tier in which is is easy to max. With low AC and just alright HPS/MANA, the bracer is extremely lackluster. Sanctum items should be getting unique effects/clickies/something. Getting to Sanctum is no easy task. These minor upgrades are hardly worth the effort at the moment.
 
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About Vorrel, I suppose it's an alternative to grant more raw mana to toons which already max their FT by a significant amount with Bane as flavor (I don't agree though only paladins need this) ; problem is the multiclass with bard, and the insane mod - with such a pot4 I guess some people can forget about resist gear ! which might explain why it's not a huge tank shield (although as you mentioned the HP are insane, quite more than the Earth shield for example).
I can only guess about how hard the encounter is ; but adding some STA on it doesn't sound like a horrible request.

The encounter is at least 1-2 tiers above the other items listed. I don't think stamina would actually make this better than the other listed items, I just thought it was a notable exclusion.
 
Edit: It does have a type 3 aug slot that I forgot about while Corefire's does not. Still, the lack of svs is quite disturbing.

I did notice it and basically insta-edited my post right away. I still think the shield is very lacking. The Corefire piece can also be placed into the range slot, giving it more versatility than Vorrel.
 
Does that mean we are just sort of SOL as far as Sanctum items are concerned? That is kind of depressing.
 
I have a hard time believing that if Thinkmeats isn't even working on SoD anymore he'll have any pull over what is and what isn't changed.

But if he is still working on it it will probably take awhile for things to get changed, since he is so busy.
 
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