How Should A Bard Dps

Cinny

Cinny

Dalayan Elder
So over the last few days I have been experimenting with a few different "rotations" you could call them i guess. I have tried using relic chant/chant i have tried using relic chant/PBaoe debuff (i dont have runic2) ive used both these in combination with multiple bellows:
  • lvl 65 1200 dmg 900 mana 1.33 dmg/mana
  • lvl 63 265 dmg 200 mana 1.325 dmg/mana
  • lvl 55 232dmg 100 mana 2.32 dmg/mana
now for long drawn out fights im considering if i should use the 55 bellow for more dmg/mana effeciency allowing me to last longer in the fight and obviously making sure i still run oom as the boss dies. Is there any advice songs that i should be using that im maybe over looking? (i typically jolt the first 5-10 % on boss when bellowing would probably rip agro and then from there on i dont need to jolt much or at all)
 
Ask gares/apros in game on how to bard dps. He taught me how to dps on a bard pretty good and I dont even play the class
 
dracosf22 said:
I'll pm you when I can get home andnot from the phone.
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Would be great my ingame name and forum name are the same so if its easier to pst in game go for it im usually on 4:30 -10 CST pm week nights and all weekend long baby!
 
Wait, a bard trying to be un-lazy and attentive, instead of afk? You sir, or going to give the rest of us a bad name! Though, I am interested in the overall dps changes by different spell line-ups and such.
 
well on single target the dps line up seems pretty straight forward in that relic + runic2 will be your bread and butter with brusco (duration dependant on how these should be used) on 2 targets i think it would be more interesting because you will get more magical dmg from relic + 63 PBAOE/debuff but you wont get as much of an armor reduction on your single target which means melee will do slightly less dmg (guessing this gap will be close because the dmg gain from songs will be small) on any more than 2 targets it seems pretty obvious to me that relic + PBaoe will win out in damage and then the main variable on the last two is bruscos how much mana you can dump all at once will depend on length of fight etc etc. obviously for boss fights you want to go oom just at the end of the fight and using the most dmg/mana bellows while during farming you theoretically want to go oom just as the rest of your party does or just as you are leaving from farming whichever is the quickest. Would be interesting to see actual numbers to back this up and how long a fight needs to be to make what the better option etc
 
Yeah, I get all the basics, played my bard a long time now. But like your last line there, I am interested to hear how fight duration affects which line up would be best. (I also lack runic, know your pain there, lack that option too.)
 
With lich clicky and even low amounts of FT the lvl 63 bellow doesnt really move your mana, even when you chain cast it on refresh. Keep your 2 chants on and bellow every refresh. Swap to 65 bellow for caster curse. typically start 65 bellowing @15% for crescendo bonus or 20-30% if i wont run oom before it dies. always /s 4.
 
Seems like after testing tonight during raid and some much needed guidance from anvyl the armor debuff + relic chant is the way to go you can keep both these up while twisting in 55/63 bellows and then once the mob is within your manas capability 65 bellow it to 0% while twisting in dots/other bellows.

I did the below alone this is what i am currently doing for my burn phase rotation:
This means you can do relic dot (3.5 lets round to 4 second cast time 18 duration this means you have 14 seconds before you need to recast lets round this down to 12 seconds) 65 bellow (3.5 sec 5.5 recharge padding everything .5 sec in this total cast time after dot1:3.5) armor debuff (same as relic: total cast time 7) 63 bellow (3.5 cast 10.5 recharge 10.5 sec casting) Here either Restart or do 65 bellow again (total cast time here is going to put you at 14 this is cutting this pretty close if you lag at all)
Would be interesting to see what [Relic ->65->63->55->relic->65->63->Pbaoe/runic2->Start Over] would yield for dmg though since there is no target dummies hard to truly judge this.
My normal DPS rotation is just taking out the 65 bellow and doing the 55 bellow with allowance for more time gaps since you will be moving/doing mechanics that will break this rotation up anyway the first things that you should cut out of the rotation are the low level bellows since those will yeild the least dmg per cast.
 
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(crownk) basically.. Relic dot+other dot (pbaoe) ac debuff if ur the only bard.. +55 bello then 63 bello then u do it dots again and bellow 1 of ur bellows will be down next rotation slip a 65 bellow in there or cast the one not on cd then switch to the other bellow and redot using the 63 bellow first I think is actually better dos and ur cooldownd work better but using the 55 one first is more mana efficent
 
Anti Eh said:
Aug all your Type 5 gear Poison Dmg augs and use Runic2 , 4.3 sword and 2 bellows .
repeat.
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Magic dmg*? Relic and bellows are all magic seems like augging for 1 dps spell instead of augging for 4 is a loss of dps.
 
3, 4.3 sword eats ur 2nd dot spot. so pick relic dot for ur own dps.. or do runic2 cause rogues rangers and monk shit on ur dps anyways so boost theres imo.
 
I guess you lost me on how 4.3 sword eats 2nd dot spot? (maybe im just not understanding how the 4.3 sword clicky works) at a 1 second cast time though i would think you could still run double dots and 2 bellows without a problem? (i dont have that sword so i cant test this and i have no real knowledge of how the sword clicky works i checked wiki and it says its a 1 sec cast self buff is that outdated?)
 
Interesting,has there been parses done to see what is more damage using the sword or a detrimental song? I mean that is a really awesome clicky but seems like losing a detrimental song for it (roughly 150 dps) is a lot, but it seems like with that /s 4 would be basically an unending stance (it already lasts a long time even without the clicky) i would guess after you swap to flute you would want to start a 2nd detrimental instead of the clicky? since you are losing the bonus of offhand melee dmg scaling with the atk the clicky gives?
 
The sword is better than any second detrimental. However there are a few things to note. One the song doesn't stack with druid regen, it just over writes it. Two once you get to a certain point it becomes a dps loss to flute nuke unless you can't be doing physical damage for some reason.

Also it originally was supposed to increase your chance to double attack from the bard AA: harmonious attack, but I don't know if that part works/ever worked.

I think the only way a second detrimental would ever be better is if you could get like a 2.7-2.8 string mod on an item that wasn't horseshit awful and your raid was almost all rangers/monks/rogues.
 
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