Here we go again, SSS and SV

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soba

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Since my previous "unofficial small problems/suggestions" thread was understandably locked because I messed it up with suggestions that weren't simple or easy to implement (not being sarcastic here) and Wiz asked that the suggestions in that thread be split up into several posts I'd like to start off with my biggest pet peeve, here's a copy/paste from that thread:

Another small tweak I've seen asked for time and again (myself included) is to have SV and SSS bounce off each other.I've heard conflicting accounts from players AND staff that either this can't be done because of the level differences in the buffs or that Wiz has specifically said no to this change.Can this finally be put to rest please? I'd just like a definite "This cannot be done" or if it is doable WHY it isn't done, every Beastlord and melee dps class I've asked about this said they would LOVE THIS CHANGE, just put it to rest once and for all with an answer please.At the very least make it so Soulbound SSS and Soulbound SV bounce so Beastlords might actually have a decent reason to dump AA's into it, as it is practically useless to us.I'd also like to see the duration of this buff increased in the same manner as SSS was, currently SSS lasts over an hour longer, seeing as they are similar buffs intended for different classes it would make sense.

Perhaps when I can control myself and actually limit myself to suggestions that are simple to implement I'll open another thread in the same vein as the previous one, there were some suggestions in my OP that were simple tweaks but I let myself get carried away with others.

I would however like to see a response to the suggestions in that thread, the simple and the complex.I realize that Wiz has a life outside of SoD but many suggestion threads here go completely ignored when a simple "This is something I would never implement", "This is something I would consider" response would greatly help, it would help cull quite a lot of repeat threads, the playerbase could simply link to the previous quote from Wiz and that would be the end of it.
 
God I second this so much. This is just not fair at all. Having the same problem as him it's kind of hard to think of new responses as everytime I think of SSS my mind fills with rage. But honestly it's easy to say without a doubt if the time increased for SV would make so many beastlords feel so much happier. But a bouncing of the two!? That would mean the world. I'm with Rakeel when I say to the least if this cannot be implemented for whatever reason, it would be splendid if we could have our questions answered.
 
Suggestions:

1. Make SV a level 65 spell. Con: Lower drop rate for people who don't have. Pro: Obvious.

2. Make a level 65 version of SV with some minor improvement (+5 hp/atk). Con: Level 62 version becomes more or less a waste. Pro: Obvious.

3. Add an extra component to SV/SSS (i.e. an extra effect slot with a null effect) that SV has a higher amount of, so that SSS doesn't overwrite it (I recall there being spells on live that had things like this). Con: If for some reason someone decides to cast SV before SSS, some AFK'ers will miss SSS because they haven't clicked SV. Pro: Obvious.

3a. Would adding +1 atk to SSS make it not overwrite the higher atk on SV?
 
so you're complaining because SSS overwrites SV? uhm... wait until SSS is cast, then make a hotkey with a delay in it that tells people to click SSS, delays for however long, and then casts SV? if someone's afk when the buffs are happening, tough stuff. this is how shaman and druids have dealt with focus vs potg/won for ages.
 
Incorrect. Shaman/druid buffs don't overwrite, so they can be cast in any order. Once one is cast, the other can safely be cast for those who clicked it off.

See the difference there?
 
I'd have to add a specific spell ID check code for this and I'd rather not introduce more hack code to the stacking code.
 
Hasrett said:
Incorrect. Shaman/druid buffs don't overwrite, so they can be cast in any order. Once one is cast, the other can safely be cast for those who clicked it off.

See the difference there?
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so SV can overwrite SSS also? if not, waiting method still works. shaman and druids (at least in CW) have basically come to the consensus that shaman casts first, even though, as you said, neither one overwrites the other.

in this case, instead of there being a consensus either way, the fact is, pally does SSS first, since SSS does the overwriting.
 
SlicerSV said:
so SV can overwrite SSS also? if not, waiting method still works. shaman and druids (at least in CW) have basically come to the consensus that shaman casts first, even though, as you said, neither one overwrites the other.

in this case, instead of there being a consensus either way, the fact is, pally does SSS first, since SSS does the overwriting.
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Yes, that is how we do it. However, if the healers are napping and the tank dies, one of the wizards (or most likely Aisling) pulls aggro, or Draxx forgets to FD (turning the mob during enrage) and we have to rebuff then it's cast SSS again overwriting SV. Having to do this multiple times a night soon gets old.
 
Wiz said:
I'd have to add a specific spell ID check code for this and I'd rather not introduce more hack code to the stacking code.
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Would any of Llanoldar's suggestions work? The 3rd one (or 3a) seems perfect if it's doable but if it wouldn't work the 2nd one seems to be a good compromise.The 65 version could as he said be a minor improvement, something along the lines of +5 ATK/10 HP more and the duration increased to match SSS.
 
Wiz said:
I'd have to add a specific spell ID check code for this and I'd rather not introduce more hack code to the stacking code.
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Would it be easier to make soulbonded buffs not get overwritten?

That way there would at least be some way for dps melees to keep SV on if another member of a raid dies and needs a new sss.
 
SlicerSV said:
so SV can overwrite SSS also? if not, waiting method still works. shaman and druids (at least in CW) have basically come to the consensus that shaman casts first, even though, as you said, neither one overwrites the other.

in this case, instead of there being a consensus either way, the fact is, pally does SSS first, since SSS does the overwriting.
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some paladins are trigger happy after spending all their money on SSS

they enjoy casting it 10 times per hour

however, i don't enjoy getting 100 tells per hour from melee dps asking for SV because the paladin just overwrote everyone's for the 20th time tonight
 
Garluk said:
Yes, that is how we do it. However, if the healers are napping and the tank dies, one of the wizards (or most likely Aisling) pulls aggro, or Draxx forgets to FD (turning the mob during enrage) and we have to rebuff then it's cast SSS again overwriting SV. Having to do this multiple times a night soon gets old.
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I have soulbond now. :[
 
Woah, déjà vu.

so you're complaining because SSS overwrites SV? uhm... wait until SSS is cast, then make a hotkey with a delay in it that tells people to click SSS, delays for however long, and then casts SV
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Yes, in a perfect world.
I lost ll hope about this let's just forget about it. Although a 65 SV would be A+ for obvious reasons :p
Oh and don't bring the Soulbond problem here or it might get locked again.
 
Dzillon said:
Woah, déjà vu.
Yes, in a perfect world.
I lost ll hope about this let's just forget about it. Although a 65 SV would be A+ for obvious reasons :p
Oh and don't bring the Soulbond problem here or it might get locked again.
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I haven't lost all hope because obviously if I had I wouldn't have posted this, this is a problem that affects a fairly large percentage of the raiding population(Beastlords and all melee dps).This is a fairly small annoyance but it's also a CONSISTENT annoyance, you face this raid after raid after raid ad nauseam and it just gets to the point where you want it to end.I don't particularly care which of the options that have been posted are taken, just as long as the underlying problem is rectified.
 
give people the ability to somehow block certain positive spells =/ like: /cm spellblock SSS
something like that would just be too cool.
 
Our paladin ( hes botted now ^^ ) got smart and he says inc sb sss at me and hes out of range of the rest of the raid so tanks needs to move to him. simple and plain.
 
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